Am i doing anything wrong? should i be more careful?

IMikeyBoyI

Im quite a tight player, i get my money in when i think im winning, i be agresssive when i feel im strong, if theres possible straights or flushes that could come out i tend to stick more money in, as most of the time they shouldnt hit and i get paid. I get alot of good wins. But it seems BAD LUCK hits me way too much. 1 example. and it happens so much. on average i say 8/10 times. (seriously) i have pocket aces, get as much in, be strong all the way through (unless theres for than 3 people in the hand and theres a few things out there someone can have to beat me) ... but i always seem to get beat. its making me want to fold aces straight away!!! haha ...

other example which has happened to me 4 times in the past  week... i have pocket 8s. 2 7 8 flop. i raise 3 blinds (to try get people involved) i get raised again. i re raise (by this point i know im going all in) ... river card. they hit there 10 (when having 10s in their hand) ... im sure it happens to everyone. but 4 times in a week and this is happening week in week out.

2 2 6 comes out ( i have 6's) ... other player has 8s. river card is a 8 ... and again. this is happening to me all the time. should i just give up if i havnt got the absolute nuts every time? i think not. but it seems every sinle time someone has AN AMAZING hand they have been waiting for for ages ... somone els has to absolute nuts

i have 8 10 ... flop 6,7,9 .... obviously geting my money STRAIGHT in there! ... turn is a 2 ... river card is a 8 .... the way ive played and been agressive, i wouldnt put any 1 on 10 jack. paying 2/3 quid for the turn and river in search of that 8 that might come out... the 8 does come out. he goes all in. i have no choice as i still have a straight... i lose of course as always

im not sure theres an answer to any of this. Or if this is just how it happens for some players (the losers) ... love the game so much. i feel im pretty clever at times and know when im winning and losing. but stuff like this just keeps happening to me ...

Lambert180

Post up some hands so we can see if there's anywhere you went wrong.

Try and give info if possible, was it a DYM? If it was an MTT, was it deep, was it the bubble etc etc?

IMikeyBoyI

In Response to Re: Am i doing anything wrong? should i be more careful?:

Post up some hands so we can see if there's anywhere you went wrong. Try and give info if possible, was it a DYM? If it was an MTT, was it deep, was it the bubble etc etc?
Posted by Lambert180

Cash games mate, on my phone, cant post the hands  

Batkin88

Is this on a diff site?? Variance is cruel but not as bad as players make it out to be. To be honest if you had some evidence of the hands that the forum regs could see, then I am sure there are ways we could help. At the end of the day, you can't always get your money in good and lose.

Batkin88

not coming out correct

Lambert180

It's not just your screen, it aint coming up properly. You can read the thread in the clinic about how to post hands.

Make sure you're getting them from the HH bit on the actual browser on the homepage. Don't get it from your HH while at the table, and don't get them from the HH in the download. Then just highlight it up, copy and paste.

IMikeyBoyI

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Assassin35	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£11.10
walksfar	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£5.90
	Your hole cards	6 6
321matt123	Raise		£0.30	£0.45	£10.69
IMikeyBoyI	Call		£0.30	£0.75	£10.92
Shankiiies	Fold
BigBudd_	Fold
Assassin35	Fold
walksfar	Call		£0.20	£0.95	£5.70
Flop
		6 10 5
walksfar	Check
321matt123	Bet		£0.50	£1.45	£10.19
IMikeyBoyI	Raise		£1.00	£2.45	£9.92
walksfar	Fold
321matt123	All-in		£10.19	£12.64	£0.00
IMikeyBoyI	All-in		£9.92	£22.56	£0.00
IMikeyBoyI	Unmatched bet		£0.23	£22.33	£0.23
321matt123	Show	J J
IMikeyBoyI	Show	6 6
Turn
		8
River
		J
321matt123	Win	Three Jacks	£20.93

IMikeyBoyI

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
soldout	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£3.07
oms	Big blind		£0.10	£0.20	£12.25
	Your hole cards	8 8
IMikeyBoyI	Raise		£0.20	£0.40	£10.67
pr1nnyraid	Fold
yidarmy92	Fold
soldout	Call		£0.10	£0.50	£2.97
oms	Raise		£0.30	£0.80	£11.95
IMikeyBoyI	Call		£0.20	£1.00	£10.47
soldout	Call		£0.20	£1.20	£2.77
Flop
		2 8 4
soldout	Check
oms	Bet		£0.60	£1.80	£11.35
IMikeyBoyI	Call		£0.60	£2.40	£9.87
soldout	Fold
Turn
		7
oms	Bet		£1.30	£3.70	£10.05
IMikeyBoyI	Raise		£2.60	£6.30	£7.27
oms	Call		£1.30	£7.60	£8.75
River
		5
oms	All-in		£8.75	£16.35	£0.00
IMikeyBoyI	All-in		£7.27	£23.62	£0.00
oms	Unmatched bet		£1.48	£22.14	£1.48
oms	Show	6 6
IMikeyBoyI	Show	8 8
oms	Win	Straight to the 8	£20.74

IMikeyBoyI

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
rev167	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£17.76
27unsuited	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£12.37
	Your hole cards	A A
painy12	Fold
STR1BS	Fold
steveyram	Raise		£0.20	£0.35	£11.97
IMikeyBoyI	Raise		£0.50	£0.85	£10.58
rev167	Fold
27unsuited	Call		£0.40	£1.25	£11.97
steveyram	Call		£0.30	£1.55	£11.67
Flop
		7 7 K
27unsuited	Check
steveyram	Bet		£0.78	£2.33	£10.89
IMikeyBoyI	Raise		£1.56	£3.89	£9.02
27unsuited	Call		£1.56	£5.45	£10.41
steveyram	Fold
Turn
		9
27unsuited	Check
IMikeyBoyI	Bet		£1.60	£7.05	£7.42
27unsuited	Call		£1.60	£8.65	£8.81
River
		2
27unsuited	Bet		£4.33	£12.98	£4.48
IMikeyBoyI	All-in		£7.42	£20.40	£0.00
27unsuited	Call		£3.09	£23.49	£1.39
27unsuited	Show	7 9
IMikeyBoyI	Show	A A
27unsuited	Win	Full House, 7s and 9s	£22.09

IMikeyBoyI

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
wynnbig	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£7.35
IMikeyBoyI	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£12.04
	Your hole cards	A A
rev167	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£13.57
27unsuited	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£14.92
painy12	Raise		£0.40	£0.75	£9.77
STR1BS	Fold
wynnbig	Fold
IMikeyBoyI	Raise		£0.70	£1.45	£11.34
rev167	Call		£0.70	£2.15	£12.87
27unsuited	Fold
painy12	Raise		£1.60	£3.75	£8.17
IMikeyBoyI	Raise		£4.00	£7.75	£7.34
rev167	Fold
painy12	Call		£2.80	£10.55	£5.37
Flop
		2 3 K
IMikeyBoyI	Bet		£5.28	£15.83	£2.06
painy12	All-in		£5.37	£21.20	£0.00
IMikeyBoyI	Call		£0.09	£21.29	£1.97
IMikeyBoyI	Show	A A
painy12	Show	6 6
Turn
		J
River
		6
painy12	Win	Three 6s	£19.89

IMikeyBoyI

mj8bs	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£7.02
scrumdown	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£8.32
	Your hole cards	10 9
garner909	Fold
IMikeyBoyI	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£7.84
7se7ens7	Fold
mj8bs	Fold
scrumdown	Check
Flop
		9 8 6
scrumdown	Bet		£0.25	£0.50	£8.07
IMikeyBoyI	Raise		£0.50	£1.00	£7.34
scrumdown	Call		£0.25	£1.25	£7.82
Turn
		7
scrumdown	Bet		£0.30	£1.55	£7.52
IMikeyBoyI	Raise		£0.90	£2.45	£6.44
scrumdown	Raise		£2.89	£5.34	£4.63
IMikeyBoyI	All-in		£6.44	£11.78	£0.00
scrumdown	All-in		£4.63	£16.41	£0.00
scrumdown	Unmatched bet		£0.48	£15.93	£0.48
scrumdown	Show	J 10
IMikeyBoyI	Show	10 9
River
		A
scrumdown	Win	Straight to the Jack	£14.73		£15.21

IMikeyBoyI

Seriously get hit by stuff like this all the time ... I dont like assuming people are being aggressive every time with the nuts. or is that how i should play to avoid this?

TINTIN

main problem i see from the hands posted is that when you raise its always a min raise. you give people odds to hit their hands if they are drawing. you say you are being aggresive with your big hands but i think your being timid and telling people what you have with these min raises. when your hands hold you are losing out on a lot of value

the aa v 66 was just unlucky

IMikeyBoyI

seems if im too agressive people just fold most of the time lol ... and the way i play im nearly always up on all tables. just got hit by hands that seem abit hard to avoid lol... thannks for the advice

Batkin88

In Response to Re: Am i doing anything wrong? should i be more careful?:
[QUOTE]seems if im too agressive people just fold most of the time lol ... and the way i play im nearly always up on all tables. just got hit by hands that seem abit hard to avoid lol... thannks for the advice
Posted by IMikeyBoyI

You need to charge people for there draws. Every one of the hands above you have posted but the first (maybe) you bet so small on drawing boards. The 666 jjj hand is unlucky but remember he was ahead pre. The others with all the min raises are avoidable, you need to raise more especially at these levels. The aces hand why are you raising to 70p??? They are all priced into play now, make it £1.25 or more (at this level make it £3 someone will call)

I think you should go through your hand histroy and get the biggest losing hands and post them on the clinic, not all of them, but this biggest ones where you think you played it well. (I am not trying to be harsh lol but your original post is about asking if you are doing anything wrong and being too careful, definately not more careful lol be more aggro and yes there are some weaknesses, mainly with your bet sizing but this can be improved) There are loads of grinding cash players who will help you here so take it all on board

profman15

Hi fella

I'm not really a cash player but to my mind your  bet sizing is the problem in some cases here as you're giving the odds to players to peel...charge them or make them fold. Set over set and running into a caught straight is just ul. You aren't going to get away from those hands a lots without serious reads so let it ride and kick the imaginary cat!! Cheers

Die_hard

As said, bet sizing is all wrong nearly every one of those hands above on nearly every street.

Bet more with those hands (then you will gets all the fishes that call anyways, like moi )

Fabraclass

In Response to Am i doing anything wrong? should i be more careful?:

Im quite a tight player, i get my money in when i think im winning, i be agresssive when i feel im strong, if theres possible straights or flushes that could come out i tend to stick more money in, as most of the time they shouldnt hit and i get paid. I get alot of good wins. But it seems BAD LUCK hits me way too much. 1 example. and it happens so much. on average i say 8/10 times. (seriously) i have pocket aces, get as much in, be strong all the way through (unless theres for than 3 people in the hand and theres a few things out there someone can have to beat me) ... but i always seem to get beat. its making me want to fold aces straight away!!! haha ... other example which has happened to me 4 times in the past  week... i have pocket 8s. 2 7 8 flop. i raise 3 blinds (to try get people involved) i get raised again. i re raise (by this point i know im going all in) ... river card. they hit there 10 (when having 10s in their hand) ... im sure it happens to everyone. but 4 times in a week and this is happening week in week out. 2 2 6 comes out ( i have 6's) ... other player has 8s. river card is a 8 ... and again. this is happening to me all the time. should i just give up if i havnt got the absolute nuts every time? i think not. but it seems every sinle time someone has AN AMAZING hand they have been waiting for for ages ... somone els has to absolute nuts i have 8 10 ... flop 6,7,9 .... obviously geting my money STRAIGHT in there! ... turn is a 2 ... river card is a 8 .... the way ive played and been agressive, i wouldnt put any 1 on 10 jack. paying 2/3 quid for the turn and river in search of that 8 that might come out... the 8 does come out. he goes all in. i have no choice as i still have a straight... i lose of course as always im not sure theres an answer to any of this. Or if this is just how it happens for some players (the losers) ... love the game so much. i feel im pretty clever at times and know when im winning and losing. but stuff like this just keeps happening to me ...
Posted by IMikeyBoyI

Weaker players will get lucky more often. As they will be getting their money in bad more often. However in the long term, they will win the hand the correct percentage of the time. You will have to make awful lot of money from these players to cone close to making a profit from the game, with the money you pay the site for playing.

Just enjoy playing. Win or lose take pride in playing well.At the end of the day it is only a game. Losing money in poker doesn't mean you are not playing very well. Your very often , just not able to cover the costs of playing, with money you are winning from weaker players.