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Could i have done anything to get more value? should i have raised less after river?

Bassett543Bassett543 Member Posts: 44
edited July 2012 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
jigsterSmall blind 15.0015.002395.00
santos197Big blind 30.0045.002070.00
 Your hole cards
  • K
  • 9
   
cowgirl54Call 30.0075.001860.00
grant12Call 30.00105.001930.00
Bassett543Call 30.00135.002015.00
BOZZMANFold    
jigsterCall 15.00150.002380.00
santos197Check    
Flop
  
  • K
  • Q
  • K
   
jigsterCheck    
santos197Check    
cowgirl54Check    
grant12Bet 30.00180.001900.00
Bassett543Call 30.00210.001985.00
jigsterFold    
santos197Fold    
cowgirl54Fold    
Turn
  
  • 9
   
grant12Bet 30.00240.001870.00
Bassett543Raise 60.00300.001925.00
grant12Call 30.00330.001840.00
River
  
  • 8
   
grant12Bet 30.00360.001810.00
Bassett543Raise 420.00780.001505.00
grant12Fold    
Bassett543Muck    
Bassett543Win 390.00 1895.00
Bassett543Return 390.000.002285.00
this is early stages of a £2 BH tourney

Comments

  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited July 2012
    I probably don't limp along to be honest, either raise or fold and if it's a £2 BH then I'd definitely fold.

    I think I'd raise on the flop, he either has something or he doesn't. If he doesn't have anything then you aint gonna get much more out of him anyway, if he does, you give yourself the best chance of stacking him. Also, raising here he may call with hands like JT and AJ whereas here you're giving him a VERY cheap chance to outdraw your trips.

    Obviously the 9 on the turn is nice, and you're right to raise, but you need to raise more. Something someone once said to me that stuck... don't choose your raise sizes based on what they've bet, choose them based on what's in the pot. So your raise on the turn is asking him to call 30 to win 300, yes you'll get called by virtually anything with a chance of improving, but you need MORE value from these monster.

    All the problems above cause what happens on the river, he minbets again and you think 'OH NO! I've got a monster hand here and the pot is tiny, so I have to stick a massive bet in'.

    If you'd have built the pot a bit bigger on flop and turn, it allows you to make a bigger bet (which is still smaller in relation to the pot size than yours) on the river.

    Especially in these £2 BHs, you will get people calling with anything and ignoring terrible pot odds if they think they can hit a card that will win it for them, so with these hands you gotta go for absolute maximum value.
  • cenachavcenachav Member Posts: 2,682
    edited July 2012
    Raise flop and raise more turn.  If you are going to raise more then the pot on the river then you may as well shove.  If the oppo is going to call the over bet they are going to call the all in
  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited July 2012
    Fold pre usually, unless u wanna get funky and raise to isolate which is fine also... I dislike the flat pre.

    As played, u can flat flop, because otherwise you are announcing that you have a king. But tbh, at this level, i think raising flop is best, also put a chunky raise in on the turn and hope he has clubs...

    On the river here u make a proper chuncky raise, but tbh this should have come earlier in the hand.



  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited July 2012
    Raise pre/Fold.....Raise flop (Do not call) ..... Raise Turn (By now he is probably checking it to you and you can put him on the queen, JT or clubs so value bet from here, half pot I would say!....... Value bet 50% - 60% pot on river.
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