Watched the show tonight, and loved the banter, and humour between Teeeeks and Hartigan.
I understand the clamour for more hands, and like a bit of poker myself.
However, for the casual player, or someone who doesn't play at the minute, it's much more likely that their interest will be held by a poker-tainment show, with some witty exchanges and jokes, than one that is a succession of limps and flop leads with 2nd pair.
Top of the Pots hits the spot consistently.
I agree that Chat Box can be a bit hit and miss, and needs some reconsideration.
Poker school is a good concept, but needs better choreography. At the minute, it's a few hands that vaguely fit the chosen subject, with the guys / girls on the sofa working hard to try to make it fit together.
Tikay was really good tonight, I thought. Seems to have rediscovered his sharpness and humour from his Vegas break.
Still think short skirts and cleavage is the way forward.
I'm going to go out on a limb here - but my suggestion would be to drop "Top Of The Pots". There's very little suspense in it other than guessing which street all the money is going to go in on, it features the same players over and over again and adds nothing to the education part of Sky's remit.
I'm going to go out on a limb here - but my suggestion would be to drop "Top Of The Pots". There's very little suspense in it other than guessing which street all the money is going to go in on, it features the same players over and over again and adds nothing to the education part of Sky's remit. Posted by FCHD
it is a bit stale now as there is a huge inevitably about it all
i would also question it being on at 10pm on a thursday when sky sports viewers join, i personally think this would be the point were promoting the site (cash for points, jackpot) should be at its highest as this must be the highest audience of the week ?
agree with above it is a bit stale now as there is a huge inevitably about it all i would also question it being on at 10pm on a thursday when sky sports viewers join, i personally think this would be the point were promoting the site (cash for points, jackpot) should be at its highest as this must be the highest audience of the week ? Posted by bugaloo
there are different legal issues with regards to being on Sky Sports rather than being on 861 so the 'selling' has to be a lot lot softer.
keep the feedback coming guys and we can improve 861 together!
it guess that hand selection is a huge task. to select hands relevant to a particular show topic so much more difficult.
to help, it might require an increase in the number of people selecting hands. alternatively (additionally) if there was a separate section of the forum, with a form with tick boxes, easily accessed and completed, this would help in the task greatly.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker TV Channel : there are different legal issues with regards to being on Sky Sports rather than being on 861 so the 'selling' has to be a lot lot softer. keep the feedback coming guys and we can improve 861 together! Posted by scotty77
thanks for reply
that makes sense then, TOTP still doesnt really seem the right fit for that slot to me but not sure what else could go there without being aware of the rulings
I feel that I am a better than average player now making a decent profit particularly in live poker. When newer players ask me for one piece of advice, I always say watch SKY Poker on a Tuesday, Thursday & Sunday evening.
The shows may not be perfect for everybody but they are educational and will improve your game.
A few thoughts:
1) Overall the current format is better than the old format.
2) The quality of analysts is first class. I thought James Hartigan was excellent over the last month or so and made excellent points with good humour. That is not to knock the other analysts as Tikay, Jen, Stu, Scotty & Redmond are all top class as well.
3) Chat box suffers because of the variation of volume of topics and how interesting they are. Perhaps one idea might be to include performances of SKY players in poker tours and festivals and include phone interviews with them.
4) When the new format first started the Tuesday night show picked up the PRIMO from where they left off on the Sunday in the first hour which tidied things up nicely. Can we go back to this practice.
5) The point made elsewhere about the hand selections is totally valid. The hands selected for "kicker problems" and "squeeze plays" were embarrassing to viewers and presenters. Better imput required here.
6) When covering Mastercash, stick with a table for a full hour because you invariably switch tables just as we are getting used to the table dynamics.
7) I don't mind a bit of chat and a few silly competitions but the main focus has to be the poker.
8) The show on DYMs was interesting but only scratched the surface. This subject needs seperate shows on the opening levels, mid stages, bubble, shoving hands, calling hands, agression v passivity etc.
Generally I enjoy the show but I probably preferred the original show from the 2007/08 days. I liked the idea of some guests playing the main event in the studio then subsequent tournaments/sng's if they busted the main. I also liked Sky following it from start to pretty much finish. I'm not saying Sky should go back to the old days but maybe one show a week could be like old with the tournament being followed? This would be educational as people would learn how to play at different times/situations of a tournament. Maybe numbers for the ME would increase as well if people knew it was a sole focus on the show and they had a high chance of a hand featuring.
I also love the idea of hole cards being covered. I remember this being spoke about back in the early days but never happened. I have only recently got the poker bug back after being a big player in the early days of Sky.
A lot of us loved tuning in to see our hands played and more of this would be great.
I cant remember who suggested it but the idea of showing the DTD was an excellent one. The teams have grown so well and the comunity spirt they are played in is first class.
Of course please dont show my hands as I cringe at them lol
6) When covering Mastercash, stick with a table for a full hour because you invariably switch tables just as we are getting used to the table dynamics.
No - although I understand your point. But giving twice as many players airtime is better imo. Also allows a wider range of buyins to be covered, and we have viewers wanting to watch certain levels but not others.
7) I don't mind a bit of chat and a few silly competitions but the main focus has to be the poker. Posted by Ice_Tiger
1. lOTS MORE HANDS SHOWN FROM ONE PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE WITH ONLY ONE HAND OF THE SIX IN VIEW AND PRESENTERS/EXPERTS/GUESTS HAVING NO PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF THEM BUT PUTTING THEIR 2P'S WORTH IN. THEN WE SEE MORE OF THE THINKING BEHIND THE PLAY. THE PROGS LAST NIGHT WERE VERY GOOD FOR THAT REASON AS IT MADE THE VIEWER A PARTICIPANT AND NOT JUST A VIEWER.
2. AS ABOVE BUT FROM SB/BB/ETC POINT OF VIEW.
3. SOME LESSONS FOR INTERMEDIATE/ADVANCED PLAYERS AND LABELLED AS SUCH.
In Response to Re: Sky Poker TV Channel : thanks for reply that makes sense then, TOTP still doesnt really seem the right fit for that slot to me but not sure what else could go there without being aware of the rulings Posted by bugaloo
Just to expand upon that Bugs, the Sky Sports simulcast sees a HUGE spike in number of viewers, but during that simulcast, we are absolutely not permitted to "sell", or even "call to action". ("Call to action" is when we might say, for example, "the 10.30pm BH starts in 15 minutes, register now").
So we are a bit constrained as to what we can & cannot say & do. We also need to pay heed to the fact that we have a completely different target audience during the simulcast - viewers who do not, for the most part, play poker. But we'd like them to.......;) So we approach it quite differently.
There is some reverse logic here, of course - during the time when we have our largest audience, we cannot legally promote the product!
Just spent the last ten minutes reading through these comments, all are relevent, some more so than others... the one thing that is obvious is it needs to be one free view to pull more viewers...... why would anyone pay to watch something that does't interest them.... its being able to watch it free that starts to gets them interested!!!
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can we get the baby and some bathwater back please?
I usually switch over when this comes on.
it guess that hand selection is a huge task. to select hands relevant to a particular show topic so much more difficult.
to help, it might require an increase in the number of people selecting hands. alternatively (additionally) if there was a separate section of the forum, with a form with tick boxes, easily accessed and completed, this would help in the task greatly.
The shows may not be perfect for everybody but they are educational and will improve your game.
A few thoughts:
1) Overall the current format is better than the old format.
2) The quality of analysts is first class. I thought James Hartigan was excellent over the last month or so and made excellent points with good humour. That is not to knock the other analysts as Tikay, Jen, Stu, Scotty & Redmond are all top class as well.
3) Chat box suffers because of the variation of volume of topics and how interesting they are. Perhaps one idea might be to include performances of SKY players in poker tours and festivals and include phone interviews with them.
4) When the new format first started the Tuesday night show picked up the PRIMO from where they left off on the Sunday in the first hour which tidied things up nicely. Can we go back to this practice.
5) The point made elsewhere about the hand selections is totally valid. The hands selected for "kicker problems" and "squeeze plays" were embarrassing to viewers and presenters. Better imput required here.
6) When covering Mastercash, stick with a table for a full hour because you invariably switch tables just as we are getting used to the table dynamics.
7) I don't mind a bit of chat and a few silly competitions but the main focus has to be the poker.
8) The show on DYMs was interesting but only scratched the surface. This subject needs seperate shows on the opening levels, mid stages, bubble, shoving hands, calling hands, agression v passivity etc.
Generally love the shows and always SKY+ them.
Posted by Ice_Tiger
Agree 100%
1. lOTS MORE HANDS SHOWN FROM ONE PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE WITH ONLY ONE HAND OF THE SIX IN VIEW AND PRESENTERS/EXPERTS/GUESTS HAVING NO PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF THEM BUT PUTTING THEIR 2P'S WORTH IN. THEN WE SEE MORE OF THE THINKING BEHIND THE PLAY. THE PROGS LAST NIGHT WERE VERY GOOD FOR THAT REASON AS IT MADE THE VIEWER A PARTICIPANT AND NOT JUST A VIEWER.
2. AS ABOVE BUT FROM SB/BB/ETC POINT OF VIEW.
3. SOME LESSONS FOR INTERMEDIATE/ADVANCED PLAYERS AND LABELLED AS SUCH.
So we are a bit constrained as to what we can & cannot say & do. We also need to pay heed to the fact that we have a completely different target audience during the simulcast - viewers who do not, for the most part, play poker. But we'd like them to.......;) So we approach it quite differently.
There is some reverse logic here, of course - during the time when we have our largest audience, we cannot legally promote the product!