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OK?

SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
edited July 2012 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
lyonsbob06 Small blind  30.00 30.00 3110.00
comerford Big blind  60.00 90.00 2190.00
 Your hole cards
  • 7
  • 6
   
seabea Call  60.00 150.00 2250.00
Slykllist Call  60.00 210.00 5320.00
chabba Call  60.00 270.00 8070.00
lyonsbob06 Call  30.00 300.00 3080.00
comerford Raise  180.00 480.00 2010.00
seabea Fold     
Slykllist Call  180.00 660.00 5140.00
chabba Call  180.00 840.00 7890.00
lyonsbob06 Call  180.00 1020.00 2900.00
Flop
  
  • 10
  • Q
  • 6
   
lyonsbob06 Check     
comerford Bet  300.00 1320.00 1710.00
Slykllist Raise  1000.00 2320.00 4140.00
chabba Fold     
lyonsbob06 Fold     
comerford All-in  1710.00 4030.00 0.00
Slykllist Call  1010.00 5040.00 3130.00
comerford Show
  • K
  • 7
   
Slykllist Show
  • 7
  • 6
   
Turn
  
  • J
   
River
  
  • K
   
comerford Win Pair of Kings 5040.00  5040.00

Comments

  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited July 2012

    Actually I know it's OK..... sorry, just a bad beat story :(

  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited July 2012
    Fold! Preferably pre! Were you drunk??
  • Curt360x27Curt360x27 Member Posts: 490
    edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: OK?:
    Actually I know it's OK..... sorry, just a bad beat story :(
    Posted by Slykllist
    Uhh?
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: OK?:
    Fold! Preferably pre! Were you drunk??
    Posted by Glenelg
    lol!

    +1, this probably isn't gonna be a winning play long term.............

    Tournament poker suicide!
  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited July 2012
    Fold preflop, and dont fall in love with bottom pair 7 kicker post flop!
  • 3barrels3barrels Member Posts: 434
    edited July 2012
    i knew u were a dope now i see ur range :P
  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited July 2012

    Erm..... yes, I was drunk!

    Forgot I'd even posted this and to be fair didn't ask the right question.......

    What I should have asked is given the line I had taken, is calling the shove OK, I wasn't expecting to be ahead when I called but felt the 3 bet had comitted me to the pot and I still have 5 outs and a miracle runner runner 89......... Plus sometimes he is making the shove on a flush draw.

  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited July 2012
    Also..... when I 3 bet, I'm obviously not betting my hand, but repping the Q.

    When he re-shoves there is 4030 in the pot and it's costing me 1010 to call.  Surely calling is right here?
  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited July 2012

    Hmmmmmmm just done the maths..... if he's holding a Q or a higher pair I'm only 20% so I need 5-1 on my money and only getting 4-1........

  • pr1nnyraidpr1nnyraid Member Posts: 495
    edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: OK?:
    Also..... when I 3 bet, I'm obviously not betting my hand, but repping the Q. When he re-shoves there is 4030 in the pot and it's costing me 1010 to call.  Surely calling is right here?
    Posted by Slykllist
    If your 3betting to 'rep' the queen, but are commited to the pot that you have to call anyway is quite bad. Better to 3bet with air and be able to fold to the jam...
    When you make a large raise or lead into a pot (usually for over 50% of your stack), this has 'appeared' to have committed you to the pot. If you do this with 0% equity in the pot, eg. undercards to the board, then this is called 'chip leveraging'. The intended thought process for villain is, "he has just committed himself to this pot, do i want to play for stacks?!" this gets you a little more fold equity based on the fact villain anticipates you will be getting your whole stack in. 
    However your intention is always to fold or put no more money in in later streets. This can show a profit over time but is quite a volatile move and is best done on dry boards where opponents will not just put you on a draw and get it in with 2nd pair, or vice versa get it in with there draw and you have to fold.

    Doing it when you have equity in the pot and will have to stack off anyway is quite choppy and generally not the best play.
  • profman15profman15 Member Posts: 1,808
    edited July 2012
    Hi 'SLY'

    Seems a weak hand(3rd pair)  to play  wth 2/3 of your stack. Is your bet on the flop a semi-bluff 'cos it ain't value mate(third pair). So if its a bluff and you continue then even if you tried to push him off with your raise of his bet then you must fold when he goes in surely. You'd save 50% of your eventual outlay and still be in T with a satisfactory stack.

    IMHO, its a poor call certainly. As for playing the hand at this stage. Fine, i feel,  but what are you looking for...flush, straight, two pair etc NOT third pair surely? You didn't really have a lot of cards to improve your hand, did you?

    PS Never mind, your mate, Bradley won the Tour de France, eh?

    Sorry Sly, early stages, try to flop a monster and win a big pot but bluff here?....its going to lose you chips, i feel.
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: OK?:
    Hmmmmmmm just done the maths..... if he's holding a Q or a higher pair I'm only 20% so I need 5-1 on my money and only getting 4-1........
    Posted by Slykllist
    4:1 means you need to win 20% of the time to break even. 4:1 is the same as 80:20. So you need to put in 20 to win 80.
    5:1 would mean needing 16.7% as that's 83.3:16.7... Easy mistake to make.

    So if you knew that you had 20% in the hand, then the call at this stage would be right. That's if you ignore what a mess you've made of the hand up to this point. lol
  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: OK?:
    In Response to Re: OK? : 4:1 means you need to win 20% of the time to break even. 4:1 is the same as 80:20. So you need to put in 20 to win 80. 5:1 would mean needing 16.7% as that's 83.3:16.7... Easy mistake to make. So if you knew that you had 20% in the hand, then the call at this stage would be right. That's if you ignore what a mess you've made of the hand up to this point. lol
    Posted by BorinLoner
    You're quite right of course....... thanks for finally provong I was right, lol
  • bolly580bolly580 Member Posts: 603
    edited July 2012
    In Response to OK?:
    Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance lyonsbob06 Small blind   30.00 30.00 3110.00 comerford Big blind   60.00 90.00 2190.00   Your hole cards 7 6       seabea Call   60.00 150.00 2250.00 Slykllist Call   60.00 210.00 5320.00 chabba Call   60.00 270.00 8070.00 lyonsbob06 Call   30.00 300.00 3080.00 comerford Raise   180.00 480.00 2010.00 seabea Fold         Slykllist Call   180.00 660.00 5140.00 chabba Call   180.00 840.00 7890.00 lyonsbob06 Call   180.00 1020.00 2900.00 Flop     10 Q 6       lyonsbob06 Check         comerford Bet   300.00 1320.00 1710.00 Slykllist Raise   1000.00 2320.00 4140.00 chabba Fold         lyonsbob06 Fold         comerford All-in   1710.00 4030.00 0.00 Slykllist Call   1010.00 5040.00 3130.00 comerford Show K 7       Slykllist Show 7 6       Turn     J       River     K       comerford Win Pair of Kings 5040.00   5040.00
    Posted by Slykllist
    never seen anyone play a hand worse than this
  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited July 2012
    In Response to Re: OK?:
    In Response to OK? : never seen anyone play a hand worse than this
    Posted by bolly580
    Really???  You need to look around a bit more, I see alot worse every day.

    Appreciate your constructive input though :)
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