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Standard fold, or am i just too nitty
The_Don90
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Ok no reads on the leader so no help on him.
However i do have some reads on the other guy. Hes got a pretty wide opening range and usually does fire one cbet and folds when i miss. Seems a pretty capable player although today is first time ive met him today, although hes on a few of my tables so im confident in that read. However these reads do all come from HU pots.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceelnino92Big blind £0.04£0.04£3.50 Your hole cardsJA moses01Fold other guyRaise £0.12£0.16£5.28JINTYCall £0.12£0.28£1.89The_Don90Call £0.12£0.40£6.74leaderCall £0.08£0.48£3.42Flop 99A leaderBet £0.12£0.60£3.30other guyRaise £0.48£1.08£4.80JINTYFold The_Don90Fold
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If it's who i think it is (from his bet sizing i'm pretty sure) then he will go away to a re-raise if he's got nothing, but it's quite possible he's got 9T, suited A-x, any big ace, T8s.
All told though i think a fold is fine, but then maybe reevaluate playing JAo if you have to fold to this guy even with an A on the relatively safe board.
You're right to not 3bet the button with AJo, especially at this level. I think a fold is fine, at this level there are so many spots where you KNOW you are ahead and should just be value-towning. I maybe missing out of small value here and there but I think at 4NL it's best to just let these very marginal spots go.
@Mj8bs - Generally when you 3bet value hands, that you wouldn't call a 4bet with (like AJo), everything that beats you will at least call or raise, and a very high percentage of hands that you beat will fold. Sure some bad players will call the 3bet with AT and maybe lower Ax hands, but more often than not, you're inflating the pot with a pretty marginal hand.
(Personally I think AJo is one of those hands that traps pretty in that it looks alot prettier than it really is).
I'm not trying to be insulting but a VERY high percentage of players at 4NL see a 12p raise as meaningless and will call with a super wide range, probably 22+, probably any Ax, probably K5+, Q6+, J7+, all the connecters from 35o to 7To etc etc.
The guy leading out could have alot of different hands, but when someone then raises to 4 times the size of the bet and with 2 players still to act, and bearing in mind you've got a 4-way pot with lots of VERY wide callers pre, it's perfectly believable that someone has you beat.
There's very little room for bluffing or even semi-bluffing at this level. With the exception of c-betting the right flops, generally post flop, fold when you haven't got it, raise when you have got it, just call with your draws (if you're getting the right odds), then go to value-town when you hit, or fold when you miss.
As for not 3betting AJ here, once you've got this many callers, you've gonna have to raise a silly amount to get rid of most of them cos they've already put something in the pot and they wanna see a flop. If you raise to 40p you're gonna get calls all round too often and be playing a marginal hand 4-way when you have little FE.
you can 3b pre but vs an unknown AJ is a very mehhhh hand to do it with.
In this situation you have a donk lead and a raise. Just fold and wait for next spot. Well played
dont' fink anyone raises flop at this level without at least a bigger A or a 9.