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Back2Cash. Few hands where I 'feel' ul, but prob not...30nl.

DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
edited August 2012 in The Poker Clinic

Not played a cash session this year, not a proper 1 anyway.

Probably still playing far too loose, hasn't been helped by playing thousands of HU sngs since my last cash session, but that's nothing new.

Came out of a few hands last night scratching my head, n saying aghh to myself.

Paying people off when I feel I have to, but probably don't....

Thinking people are getting there alot, when they probably aren't.....

Anyway, gonna post a few hands, if you cba to leave any kinda feedback I'd appreciate it.

Will add reads where I can but if there aren't any, assume they're generally loose passive.

Cheerz.

First one, this a clear bet/bet/shove? No reads here don't recognise the name.

Looks totally standard to me (these are in no particular order btw, don't have a go @ me for bbys/coolers just skip the hand)
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
tracey1969 Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £53.71
JUDGEJON Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £32.83
 Your hole cards
  • A
  • K
   
gough Call  £0.30 £0.75 £27.34
cobaw Raise  £1.20 £1.95 £15.79
DOHHHHHHH Raise  £3.90 £5.85 £26.40
chokdee Fold     
tracey1969 Fold     
JUDGEJON Call  £3.60 £9.45 £29.23
gough Fold     
cobaw Call  £2.70 £12.15 £13.09
Flop
  
  • 9
  • K
  • 5
   
JUDGEJON Check     
cobaw Check     
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £6.30 £18.45 £20.10
JUDGEJON Call  £6.30 £24.75 £22.93
cobaw Fold     
Turn
  
  • 8
   
JUDGEJON Check     
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £9.60 £34.35 £10.50
JUDGEJON Call  £9.60 £43.95 £13.33
River
  
  • 7
   
JUDGEJON Check     
DOHHHHHHH All-in  £10.50 £54.45 £0.00
JUDGEJON All-in  £13.33 £67.78 £0.00
JUDGEJON Unmatched bet  £2.83 £64.95 £2.83
JUDGEJON Show
  • 5
  • 5
   
DOHHHHHHH Show
  • A
  • K
   
JUDGEJON Win Three 5s £63.15  £65.98
2) Mehhh, oppo calls alot, looks standard again not loving having to call off but what else can I do? She's prob never bluffing when I have the lead, but I can beat 2p hands now, wp.

*edit. Really don't know why I went in to c/c mode here. Maybe I timed out on the turn.

Pay off River?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
JUDGEJON Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £20.70
mccaw03 Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £34.23
 Your hole cards
  • J
  • J
   
DOHHHHHHH Raise  £1.20 £1.65 £49.44
chokdee Fold     
tracey1969 Call  £1.20 £2.85 £59.31
JUDGEJON Fold     
mccaw03 Fold     
Flop
  
  • 7
  • 10
  • 5
   
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £1.80 £4.65 £47.64
tracey1969 Call  £1.80 £6.45 £57.51
Turn
  
  • 8
   
DOHHHHHHH Check     
tracey1969 Bet  £3.23 £9.68 £54.28
DOHHHHHHH Call  £3.23 £12.91 £44.41
River
  
  • 5
   
DOHHHHHHH Check     
tracey1969 Bet  £9.68 £22.59 £44.60
DOHHHHHHH Call  £9.68 £32.27 £34.73
tracey1969 Show
  • 5
  • A
   
DOHHHHHHH Muck
  • J
  • J
   
tracey1969 Win Three 5s £30.65  £75.25

3)  Ha.  image post I guess. I was giving up on the river, but can't even beat a missed flush draw which I expected them to fold. So put a small bet in.... Just give up? Bet bigger? Don't bluff turn ? lol.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Odey Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £18.05
westslay23 Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £31.76
 Your hole cards
  • 10
  • J
   
richdev Call  £0.30 £0.75 £26.25
DOHHHHHHH Raise  £1.20 £1.95 £65.26
SKB89 Fold     
cockroach1 Fold     
Odey Fold     
westslay23 Fold     
richdev Call  £0.90 £2.85 £25.35
Flop
  
  • 7
  • 6
  • 2
   
richdev Check     
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £2.10 £4.95 £63.16
richdev Call  £2.10 £7.05 £23.25
Turn
  
  • 4
   
richdev Check     
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £5.40 £12.45 £57.76
richdev Call  £5.40 £17.85 £17.85
River
  
  • 8
   
richdev Check     
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £7.20 £25.05 £50.56
richdev Call  £7.20 £32.25 £10.65
DOHHHHHHH Show
  • 10
  • J
   
richdev Show
  • 4
  • 3
   
richdev Win Pair of 4s £30.63  £41.28
4) Again, annoying. I was opening millions of buttons, they were folding or defending and c/folding* alot. K6 too loose? meh again.

Fold river? agh againnnnn.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
chokdee Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £35.29
tracey1969 Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £38.84
nin777 Sit out     
 Your hole cards
  • K
  • 6
   
bugaloo Fold     
DOHHHHHHH Raise  £1.20 £1.65 £29.75
chokdee Fold     
tracey1969 Call  £0.90 £2.55 £37.94
Flop
  
  • 5
  • 3
  • 6
   
tracey1969 Check     
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £1.80 £4.35 £27.95
tracey1969 Call  £1.80 £6.15 £36.14
Turn
  
  • Q
   
tracey1969 Check     
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £3.90 £10.05 £24.05
tracey1969 Call  £3.90 £13.95 £32.24
River
  
  • Q
   
tracey1969 Bet  £6.98 £20.93 £25.26
DOHHHHHHH Call  £6.98 £27.91 £17.07
tracey1969 Show
  • 6
  • A
   
DOHHHHHHH Muck
  • K
  • 6
   
tracey1969 Win Two Pairs, Queens and 6s £26.51  £51.77
5) No reads? Paying off too light again. pattern emerging.  Again this isn't ul but felt it at the time.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Soso1974 Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £29.97
helppo Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £20.37
 Your hole cards
  • A
  • 8
   
DOHHHHHHH Raise  £0.90 £1.35 £39.24
engy Fold     
Huge_Cow Fold     
Soso1974 Call  £0.75 £2.10 £29.22
helppo Fold     
Flop
  
  • 4
  • 8
  • 2
   
Soso1974 Check     
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £1.20 £3.30 £38.04
Soso1974 Call  £1.20 £4.50 £28.02
Turn
  
  • 3
   
Soso1974 Check     
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £3.00 £7.50 £35.04
Soso1974 Call  £3.00 £10.50 £25.02
River
  
  • 3
   
Soso1974 Bet  £7.88 £18.38 £17.14
DOHHHHHHH Call  £7.88 £26.26 £27.16
Soso1974 Show
  • 5
  • A
   
DOHHHHHHH Muck
  • A
  • 8
   
Soso1974 Win Straight to the 5 £24.94  £42.08
6) Vagro dynamic with villain. prob very standard on my part. sigh.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
DOHHHHHHH Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £30.08
chokdee Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £25.89
 Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
   
PokerKinga Raise  £0.90 £1.35 £35.32
VINEY73 Fold     
darryl1976 Fold     
denty765 Fold     
DOHHHHHHH Raise  £3.60 £4.95 £26.48
chokdee Fold     
PokerKinga Call  £2.85 £7.80 £32.47
Flop
  
  • 7
  • 8
  • 7
   
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £6.00 £13.80 £20.48
PokerKinga Raise  £12.00 £25.80 £20.47
DOHHHHHHH Call  £6.00 £31.80 £14.48
Turn
  
  • 4
   
DOHHHHHHH Check     
PokerKinga All-in  £20.47 £52.27 £0.00
DOHHHHHHH All-in  £14.48 £66.75 £0.00
PokerKinga Unmatched bet  £5.99 £60.76 £5.99
DOHHHHHHH Show
  • A
  • A
   
PokerKinga Show
  • 9
  • 10
   
River
  
  • Q
   
PokerKinga Win Flush to the 10 £58.96  £64.95

Comments

  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited August 2012
    Massive sigh.

    I think hand 1, you're right that it's bet/bet/shove, don't see any problems with that hand.

    Hand 2 - Yeah dunno why you went into c/c mode, unless like you said you timed out. I'd be bettering turn and river.

    Hand 3 - Meh, I generally only triple barrel when I'm tilting lol. Hero call from villian though, obviously has no respect for your bets or is easy money.

    Hand 4 - K6o is a bit loose, and you did say he was either folding, or defending then c/f flops alot, so maybe the fact he hasn't just check/folded could be a reason to slow down. To be fair though, I'd still bet flop and turn, and probably sigh call river.

    Hand 5 - I play it the same (although that's not necessarily saying it's a good thing)

    Hand 6 - Seems pretty standard, especially if u got an aggro dynamic going in between you.
  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited August 2012
    hand 1 I was gonna say sometimes I check river back but I dunno. You're missing out on value sometimes and other times he has a set. but what could he have that you beat? I doubt he's cold calling with KQ KJ.. perhaps he's being stubborn with QQ.. maybe the same hand. I think you could probz check turn or river and try to save some money but in play I think I do the same. But you know what I'm saying? cold call oop you could maybe check river

    hand 2 just bet again on turn. if villain calls a lot youre gonna get more value. as played I probz call river too as played. IF I'm playing sick I can maybe fold. depends if I think villain is gonna overvalue top pair or bluff

    hand 3 turn and river are pretty bad cards to bluff on vs a probable fish. they both dont hit your range, they more than likely hit his, youve got a pretty sick image, and he's probably a fish.. all points to just give up haha. 

    hand 4 I think the btn raise is ok if blinds fold a lot. I maybe fold tho. Sometimes I check turn but bet is ok. I doubt you're ahead on the river but I'd probz call. I think check the turn and call a river lead wouldve been best. plus I'd raise leess on btn

    hand 5 meh readless I probz call lol youll find he's sometimes vbetting worse 8's

    hand 6 I'd cbet smaller on flop. I think calling his raise is fine as if he's bluffing he's probz gonna continue on turn and if you shove he may still fold with aggro dynamic. 


  • bolly580bolly580 Member Posts: 603
    edited August 2012
    from experience i find at these limits people are never betting if they havent got you beat, read sounds increidble simple but the vast majorirty just simply lack the imagination or courage to try a bluff.



  • KKripplerKKrippler Member Posts: 321
    edited August 2012
    In Response to Re: Back2Cash. Few hands where I 'feel' ul, but prob not...30nl.:
    from experience i find at these limits people are never betting if they havent got you beat, read sounds increidble simple but the vast majorirty just simply lack the imagination or courage to try a bluff.
    Posted by bolly580
    +1

    Probably could of folded some of those river donk leads
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited August 2012
    In Response to Back2Cash. Few hands where I 'feel' ul, but prob not...30nl.:
    Not played a cash session this year, not a proper 1 anyway. Probably still playing far too loose, hasn't been helped by playing thousands of HU sngs since my last cash session, but that's nothing new. Came out of a few hands last night scratching my head, n saying aghh to myself. Paying people off when I feel I have to, but probably don't.... Thinking people are getting there alot, when they probably aren't..... Anyway, gonna post a few hands, if you cba to leave any kinda feedback I'd appreciate it. Will add reads where I can but if there aren't any, assume they're generally loose passive. Cheerz. First one, this a clear bet/bet/shove? No reads here don't recognise the name. Looks totally standard to me (these are in no particular order btw, don't have a go @ me for bbys/coolers just skip the hand) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance tracey1969 Small blind   £0.15 £0.15 £53.71 JUDGEJON Big blind   £0.30 £0.45 £32.83   Your hole cards A K       gough Call   £0.30 £0.75 £27.34 cobaw Raise   £1.20 £1.95 £15.79 DOHHHHHHH Raise   £3.90 £5.85 £26.40 chokdee Fold         tracey1969 Fold         JUDGEJON Call   £3.60 £9.45 £29.23 gough Fold         cobaw Call   £2.70 £12.15 £13.09 Flop     9 K 5       JUDGEJON Check         cobaw Check         DOHHHHHHH Bet   £6.30 £18.45 £20.10 JUDGEJON Call   £6.30 £24.75 £22.93 cobaw Fold         Turn     8       JUDGEJON Check         DOHHHHHHH Bet   £9.60 £34.35 £10.50 JUDGEJON Call   £9.60 £43.95 £13.33 River     7       JUDGEJON Check         DOHHHHHHH All-in   £10.50 £54.45 £0.00 JUDGEJON All-in   £13.33 £67.78 £0.00 JUDGEJON Unmatched bet   £2.83 £64.95 £2.83 JUDGEJON Show 5 5       DOHHHHHHH Show A K       JUDGEJON Win Three 5s £63.15   £65.98 2) Mehhh, oppo calls alot, looks standard again not loving having to call off but what else can I do? She's prob never bluffing when I have the lead, but I can beat 2p hands now, wp. *edit. Really don't know why I went in to c/c mode here. Maybe I timed out on the turn. Pay off River? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance JUDGEJON Small blind   £0.15 £0.15 £20.70 mccaw03 Big blind   £0.30 £0.45 £34.23   Your hole cards J J       DOHHHHHHH Raise   £1.20 £1.65 £49.44 chokdee Fold         tracey1969 Call   £1.20 £2.85 £59.31 JUDGEJON Fold         mccaw03 Fold         Flop     7 10 5       DOHHHHHHH Bet   £1.80 £4.65 £47.64 tracey1969 Call   £1.80 £6.45 £57.51 Turn     8       DOHHHHHHH Check         tracey1969 Bet   £3.23 £9.68 £54.28 DOHHHHHHH Call   £3.23 £12.91 £44.41 River     5       DOHHHHHHH Check         tracey1969 Bet   £9.68 £22.59 £44.60 DOHHHHHHH Call   £9.68 £32.27 £34.73 tracey1969 Show 5 A       DOHHHHHHH Muck J J       tracey1969 Win Three 5s £30.65   £75.25 3)  Ha.  image post I guess. I was giving up on the river, but can't even beat a missed flush draw which I expected them to fold. So put a small bet in.... Just give up? Bet bigger? Don't bluff turn ? lol. Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance Odey Small blind   £0.15 £0.15 £18.05 westslay23 Big blind   £0.30 £0.45 £31.76   Your hole cards 10 J       richdev Call   £0.30 £0.75 £26.25 DOHHHHHHH Raise   £1.20 £1.95 £65.26 SKB89 Fold         cockroach1 Fold         Odey Fold         westslay23 Fold         richdev Call   £0.90 £2.85 £25.35 Flop     7 6 2       richdev Check         DOHHHHHHH Bet   £2.10 £4.95 £63.16 richdev Call   £2.10 £7.05 £23.25 Turn     4       richdev Check         DOHHHHHHH Bet   £5.40 £12.45 £57.76 richdev Call   £5.40 £17.85 £17.85 River     8       richdev Check         DOHHHHHHH Bet   £7.20 £25.05 £50.56 richdev Call   £7.20 £32.25 £10.65 DOHHHHHHH Show 10 J       richdev Show 4 3       richdev Win Pair of 4s £30.63   £41.28 4) Again, annoying. I was opening millions of buttons, they were folding or defending and c/folding* alot. K6 too loose? meh again. Fold river? agh againnnnn. Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance chokdee Small blind   £0.15 £0.15 £35.29 tracey1969 Big blind   £0.30 £0.45 £38.84 nin777 Sit out           Your hole cards K 6       bugaloo Fold         DOHHHHHHH Raise   £1.20 £1.65 £29.75 chokdee Fold         tracey1969 Call   £0.90 £2.55 £37.94 Flop     5 3 6       tracey1969 Check         DOHHHHHHH Bet   £1.80 £4.35 £27.95 tracey1969 Call   £1.80 £6.15 £36.14 Turn     Q       tracey1969 Check         DOHHHHHHH Bet   £3.90 £10.05 £24.05 tracey1969 Call   £3.90 £13.95 £32.24 River     Q       tracey1969 Bet   £6.98 £20.93 £25.26 DOHHHHHHH Call   £6.98 £27.91 £17.07 tracey1969 Show 6 A       DOHHHHHHH Muck K 6       tracey1969 Win Two Pairs, Queens and 6s £26.51   £51.77 5) No reads? Paying off too light again. pattern emerging.  Again this isn't ul but felt it at the time. Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance Soso1974 Small blind   £0.15 £0.15 £29.97 helppo Big blind   £0.30 £0.45 £20.37   Your hole cards A 8       DOHHHHHHH Raise   £0.90 £1.35 £39.24 engy Fold         Huge_Cow Fold         Soso1974 Call   £0.75 £2.10 £29.22 helppo Fold         Flop     4 8 2       Soso1974 Check         DOHHHHHHH Bet   £1.20 £3.30 £38.04 Soso1974 Call   £1.20 £4.50 £28.02 Turn     3       Soso1974 Check         DOHHHHHHH Bet   £3.00 £7.50 £35.04 Soso1974 Call   £3.00 £10.50 £25.02 River     3       Soso1974 Bet   £7.88 £18.38 £17.14 DOHHHHHHH Call   £7.88 £26.26 £27.16 Soso1974 Show 5 A       DOHHHHHHH Muck A 8       Soso1974 Win Straight to the 5 £24.94   £42.08 6) Vagro dynamic with villain. prob very standard on my part. sigh. Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance DOHHHHHHH Small blind   £0.15 £0.15 £30.08 chokdee Big blind   £0.30 £0.45 £25.89   Your hole cards A A       PokerKinga Raise   £0.90 £1.35 £35.32 VINEY73 Fold         darryl1976 Fold         denty765 Fold         DOHHHHHHH Raise   £3.60 £4.95 £26.48 chokdee Fold         PokerKinga Call   £2.85 £7.80 £32.47 Flop     7 8 7       DOHHHHHHH Bet   £6.00 £13.80 £20.48 PokerKinga Raise   £12.00 £25.80 £20.47 DOHHHHHHH Call   £6.00 £31.80 £14.48 Turn     4       DOHHHHHHH Check         PokerKinga All-in   £20.47 £52.27 £0.00 DOHHHHHHH All-in   £14.48 £66.75 £0.00 PokerKinga Unmatched bet   £5.99 £60.76 £5.99 DOHHHHHHH Show A A       PokerKinga Show 9 10       River     Q       PokerKinga Win Flush to the 10 £58.96   £64.95
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH



    1 -  Jam turn is option as opposed to bet small.
    2 - Fine
    3 - check turn to give up and try and bink a pair on river imo. don't like river sizing, 17 effective 25 in there £7 is not going to work.
    4 - fold river
    5 - Understand why you change your raise sizes pre.... i'd prob call river too some of the time without better reads on my opponent.
    6-  w/e dem aces. 

    in general don't like your bet sizing alot of the time pre and post.



    HINT -  stop using default buttons.......


  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited August 2012
    1 bet flop bigger and jam turn. Even with your sizing jam
    2 bet turn
    3 give up on turn
    4 check turn fold river
    5 I prob call river in game too, but think its a fold
    6 3bet too big imo. I'm going broke too. Sometimes I like jamming over flop raise
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