Manipulating Pot Size

Lambert180

Is there an easy way to calculate quickly what odds you are giving to your opponent by particular bets??

As an example, sometimes the pot might be say 650 (after pre-flop action), then my opponent leads out for 350, and I'm going to raise but obv need to decided on my raise size. Let's assume we're deep up that I don't have to worry about being committed etc.

As it is, I obviously have to add his 350 bet to the 650 in the pot (1000), then because the way the bet size works on Sky, whatever I raise to I need to take off the 350 he's already put in to see how much I'm actually asking him to call. So say I raise to 900 (total), so I then have to add the 900 to the pot (1900), then take off the 350 so I know he has to call 650 into 1900 so he's getting about 3-1.

I sometimes struggle to do this in the 15 seconds (or whatever it is you get) if I'm playing say 4 tables. So is there any quick way to calculate it, or is it just a case of experience?

TPTP123

There you go, have fun!! Ignore the formatting... Excel merged cells dont paste very well.

Pot	Bet sizing %		Odds Layed
£100	2.08	49	To 1
£100	4.35	24	To 1
£100	5.26	20	To 1
£100	5.56	19	To 1
£100	5.88	18	To 1
£100	6.25	17	To 1
£100	6.67	16	To 1
£100	6.82	15.67	To 1
£100	7.14	15	To 1
£100	7.69	14	To 1
£100	8.33	13	To 1
£100	9.09	12	To 1
£100	9.52	11.5	To 1
£100	10	11	To 1
£100	11.11	10	To 1
£100	12.5	9	To 1
£100	14.29	8	To 1
£100	15.79	7.33	To 1
£100	16.67	7	To 1
£100	19.44	6.14	To 1
£100	20	6	To 1
£100	23.53	5.25	To 1
£100	25	5	To 1
£100	28.13	4.56	To 1
£100	33.33	4	To 1
£100	39.29	3.55	To 1
£100	46.15	3.17	To 1
£100	50	3	To 1
£100	54.17	2.85	To 1
£100	63.64	2.57	To 1
£100	75	2.33	To 1
£100	88.89	2.13	To 1
£100	100	2	To 1
£100	106.25	1.94	To 1
£100	128.57	1.78	To 1
£100	158.33	1.63	To 1
£100	200	1.5	To 1
£100	262.5	1.38	To 1
£100	366.67	1.27	To 1
£100	575	1.17	To 1
£100	1200	1.08	To 1

grantorino

Not much different than what you do but add the amount you need to call to the pot. Work out the additional amount needed to give odds.

Pot bet gives 2/1

1/2 pot gives 3/1 etc, the table above will give you some others

So when you face the 350 bet the pot will be 1350 when you match the bet. Then add on the size you want to raise to give whatever odds you wish

Lambert180

Cheers Grantorino. It was more about seeing if there was any quick method, like there's a quick rough method to work out your equity when you know how many outs you got.

But yeah I think it's easier like you said if I include what it costs to match the bet first.

So if I need to put 350 in to match the bet and that makes the pot 1350, then I can go back to calculating the odds as though I was making the first bet i.e. betting half of 1350 would be giving him 3/1?

TPTP123

It takes practice, I'm not sure about in MTTs but doesnt the pot counter include a bet when its made?

Anyway, Like grantorino says;

Pot always = 2:1
3/4 always = 2.33:1
1/2 always = 3:1
1/3 always = 4:1
1/4 alway = 5:1
1/5 alway = 6:1

Also notice the theme for the last 4???

Worst case scenario you could just have a calcultor near by or use the basic computer calculator.

rancid

In Response to Re: Manipulating Pot Size:

Not much different than what you do but add the amount you need to call to the pot. Work out the additional amount needed to give odds. Pot bet gives 2/1 1/2 pot gives 3/1 etc, the table above will give you some others So when you face the 350 bet the pot will be 1350 when you match the bet. Then add on the size you want to raise to give whatever odds you wish
Posted by grantorino

bout all u need /)

yo GT we missed u

Lambert180

Cheers TPTP, you seem to have appeared out of no-where on the forum but have liked almost everything you've posted so far.

Yeah on all games on the site, the pot includes any bets that have been made but what I meant is... On here, if someone bets 200, and you want to raise 400 more to make it 600 in total, then you have to click it up to 400 and bet that amount. But when I play on other sites, mainly 'the big one', you just enter whatever you want to raise to, so you'd enter 600 cos you want to raise to 600. You don't have to actually calculate how much you need to add to their bet to get the raise correct.

Grantorino's idea of adding what you need to call to match the bet, then working out your raise from there solves that though.

EDIT: Yeah I use the calculater on the computer quite often lol... mostly just sometimes at blind levels that aren't easily divisible, so I can work out how many BB me and my opponents have.

TPTP123

No worries mate, just happy to pass on what others have shown me elsewhere..

glad you got there in the end! Also.. i'll carry on lurking in here for the time being.. will prob stop posting as usual and then come back in 2015 or summin!!!