Why oh why?

pilgrim07

Why have the £20gtd freezeout tournies at 1220 and 1420 been removed? For a micro-stakes, recreational player the 1420 was a really pleasant way to spend an afternoon. Now I see tha there is another of those "verdammt" rebuys in its place. Sky, I realise that its your site and you can do whatever you wish, but if you really want us lower BR players to stay could you not listen to what we have been saying for some time now?  

Sky_Dave

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Why have the £20gtd freezeout tournies at 1220 and 1420 been removed? For a micro-stakes, recreational player the 1420 was a really pleasant way to spend an afternoon. Now I see tha there is another of those "verdammt" rebuys in its place. Sky, I realise that its your site and you can do whatever you wish, but if you really want us lower BR players to stay could you not listen to what we have been saying for some time now?  
Posted by pilgrim07

Hi Pilgrim,

This isn't my area, so I am not entirely sure what the reckoning behind it is. The one thing I would say is there are some decent alternatives on at the moment - the £3.30 at 1pm has been going 50 minutes and has 55 runners. Slighltly higher buy-in granted, but it could be worth a look. 

I'll let you know if any amends are made.

Cheers,

Dave

The_Don90

Dave imo other than bhs theres not enough GTD tournaments below £3.30. £2 or less just either dont get a GTE or there just very rare. Increase volume of these please. Or at least let someone higher up know of my opinion. I cant and very much doupt im the only one with the opinion. 

pilgrim07

Thanks Dave and Don for your responses. IMO £1 and £2 freezeout tournies would not need any guarantee. I think that they would attract good fields anyway.  

Sky_Dave

Just an interesting little stat for you courtesy of our numbers guru Joe: 

Just over 45% of all GTD tournaments on Sky Poker over one week have a buy-in of £3.30 or less.

That surprised even me...

belsibub

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Just an interesting little stat for you courtesy of our numbers guru Joe:  Just over 45% of all GTD tournaments on Sky Poker over one week have a buy-in of £3.30 or less. That surprised even me...
Posted by Sky_Dave

OP refers to freezeout's not just buy-in.

Sky_Dave

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Posted by belsibub

True, but I wasn't referencing that either

The_Don90

Yeah dave i think theres 3 daily GTD tournaments at £2 level all are bounty hunters - VERY GOOD GUARENTEE ON THEM I WILL ADMIT. 

£1 have a few

And £3.30 i stated i wanted lower ones.

your stat is probably correct but again im looking for freezeout non-bounty hunters. Standard tourny slap a £50 GTD on it put it at half past every hour for £2.20. Please sort something out like this even if its on trial for a while. Drop the ones that dont work. Mega pretty please *shows puppy dog eyes* 

belsibub

Was going to have a look but when checking hold-em & regular you still get bounty-hunters bh-hu-shuffles & re-buy's showing wtf.

Lambert180

IMO there's no need to have a guarantee on any low stakes tourney, the only possible benefit to players is overlay which is Sky making a loss.

Just ditch the guarantees completely for low stakes tournies, it's either a tourney not getting enough runners, or a pointless guarantee. For instance, the 3 DTD games all have guarantees, but they're pointless really cos they always get met.

Same old request, but more cheap freezeouts please No guarantees on them, if they get 12 runners, then so be it, players are happy, Sky don't lose money on overlay. I can't see it reducing liquidity because there's so little choice for most parts of the day that it's not like people are spoilt for choice anyway.

Paul

belsibub

There are 6 £2.20 deepstack's only 2 have gtd's & 1 £1.10 deepstack which has a gtd tonight.
I like deep stacks but no normal,speed,scary or velocity freezeouts?

The_Don90

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IMO there's no need to have a guarantee on any low stakes tourney, the only possible benefit to players is overlay which is Sky making a loss. Just ditch the guarantees completely for low stakes tournies, it's either a tourney not getting enough runners, or a pointless guarantee. For instance, the 3 DTD games all have guarantees, but they're pointless really cos they always get met. Same old request, but more cheap freezeouts please No guarantees on them, if they get 12 runners, then so be it, players are happy, Sky don't lose money on overlay. I can't see it reducing liquidity because there's so little choice for most parts of the day that it's not like people are spoilt for choice anyway. Paul
Posted by Lambert180

Paul Guarentees are a way of boosting numbers, beating the guarentee is a good thing. Late reg is already helping this, one tournament i played today used to get 3 cashing today it had 8 cashing smashing its guarentee. That was a £3.30 entry tournament i only entered because of the C4P arriving. 

Increasing the GTEs on these tournaments until they stop exceeding it then reduce it slightly would be a good idea imo, It will attract more players. 

What id really like is an hourly tournament £2.20 entry normal levels and blinds, slap a £50 GTE on it, thats for 25 runners. With late reg most should smash that. The ones that dont work drop them after a week or so. The ones that do look at how many runners it got over the process of the week. Say the 2.30 one (example) averaged 40 runners, change the GTE to £75 which GTEs 37.5 runners. Assess it for another week and adjust. After about a month or two itll reach its full potential and level it be. Check again after 6 months and adjust. Probably sound like alot of work, but thats how people make money. 

Skys MTT schedule has barrels of untapped potential. 

Lambert180

Well no Donk lol, that's the thing, I don't deny for a second it is not beneficial for the players to have overlay, and many a time, I've went in a MTT that I wouldn't normally because there was massive overlay, but this aint sustainable.

Donald what is the benefit of altering the guarantee up and down to try to make sure it always gets met? If there's a £100 Gtd and it's £1 buyin, if 100 people turn up, it makes zero difference whether there was a guarantee or not, if theres anything over 100 runners, it makes zero difference. The only difference it makes is when it's under guarantee and Sky won't continue to give free money away, so the guarantees will be lowered to fall in-line with the number of runners it gets, thus negating the point of having a guarantee.

Certain things like the 12k BH, they probably don't mind if there's overlay cos it's a main event, and the way they push it, it seems to be considered the main of all the mains, and with it being shown on 861 and Sky Sports, they're probably happy to give away overlay to introduce new customers to the site. Certain things like the Easter Roller and the UKOPS, people will go 'ooooo £50k guaranteed' and that can get people in but guarantees at small stakes serve no real purpose other than to give some free money into the prize pool (or zero difference if enough runners).

I realise this is probably shooting myself in the foot, but I think it's true.

The_Don90

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Well no Donk lol, that's the thing, I don't deny for a second it is not beneficial for the players to have overlay, and many a time, I've went in a MTT that I wouldn't normally because there was massive overlay, but this aint sustainable. Donald what is the benefit of altering the guarantee up and down to try to make sure it always gets met? If there's a £100 Gtd and it's £1 buyin, if 100 people turn up, it makes zero difference whether there was a guarantee or not, if theres anything over 100 runners, it makes zero difference. The only difference it makes is when it's under guarantee and Sky won't continue to give free money away, so the guarantees will be lowered to fall in-line with the number of runners it gets, thus negating the point of having a guarantee. Certain things like the 12k BH, they probably don't mind if there's overlay cos it's a main event, and the way they push it, it seems to be considered the main of all the mains, and with it being shown on 861 and Sky Sports, they're probably happy to give away overlay to introduce new customers to the site. Certain things like the Easter Roller and the UKOPS, people will go 'ooooo £50k guaranteed' and that can get people in but guarantees at small stakes serve no real purpose other than to give some free money into the prize pool (or zero difference if enough runners). I realise this is probably shooting myself in the foot, but I think it's true.
Posted by Lambert180

I think i worded it badly. Basically what i meant was get it to a high level might be overlay sometimes. IF you take that other site for example i cant think of their ever being overlay in any events. Yet everything has a GTE on it. IMO that has a massive effect on that sites sucsess. 

Even if a GTE gets met on a regular basis people will see oh i can with £500 for £2 in this event (currently one of the prime time bhs on sky) i believe this specific tournament meets its GTE on a regular basis but its still good value. 

Just because theirs no overlay doesnt mean its not worth it. Its attracting a bigger field, which in turns means a bigger prizepool. Bigger prizepool means more money for those times that we do win. 

The bigger the GTE the more people will be attracted, but we obviously have to look at it from a business point of view for sky, and alot of adjusting will be needed. Simply because other wise id say through a £1k GTE on it and watch it grow over 12 months, not finacially fesable. So if they start at £50 and edit accordingly for 2 weeks, chech again in a couple of months and again edit accordingly always trying to squeeze it up, more people should in theory be attracted.