Time tournys complaints

The_Don90

I wanted to take part in Rich's challenge tonight. Only to go to timed tourny lobbys Bar the 7.05 and 9.55 every single one is £5.50 or above. 

I've got a seriously small BR and feel like im being alienated from this challenge. Rch recommended i bring this up in a different thread. I know that we have lots of other tournaments for £2 and £3 but i want to play specifically a couple of timed tournys. 

C'mon, please. *puppy dog eyes* 

percival09

start your own poker site called 'micro br skillz' and have each tournament at £5 or less and then have a special monthly tournament costing £6 and whoever joins and deposits £10 or more kill them

BorinLoner

Given the thread title, I'm going to nudge the topic slightly:

Does having late registration for timed tournaments really make sense? It's a "timed" tournament for goodness sake! lol
In all seriousness, it does significantly alter the dynamic when you register late. I don't think late registration is suitable for timed tournaments.

Getting back to the buy-ins; I too would prefer one or two more £3.30 buy-ins during Wednesday evening in particular. Just a suggestion.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Time tournys complaints:

start your own poker site called 'micro br skillz' and have each tournament at £5 or less and then have a special monthly tournament costing £6 and whoever joins and deposits £10 or more kill them
Posted by percival09

Any need, if you look in another thread ive just literally just defended the increase of the ME's. ive literally asked for more timed some at a smaller stake so that that competition is open to some extra people, Expessially when it says in the OP, "ENTRY FEE NOT DEPENDANT"

wayne1958

re  Given the thread title, I'm going to nudge the topic slightly:

Does having late registration for timed tournaments really make sense? It's a "timed" tournament for goodness sake! lol
In all seriousness, it does significantly alter the dynamic when you register late. I don't think late registration is suitable for timed tournaments.

+1
most timed  toury,s hav large fields cant see em droping to £3.30 , money money money.....

BUFC

I agree. Late reg on timed is not right for me. I personally would like to see a £7/8 timed each evening as well.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Time tournys complaints:

I agree. Late reg on timed is not right for me. I personally would like to see a £7/8 timed each evening as well.
Posted by BUFC

I agree outa my br atm but defo would be good to see more between £5 and £11

beaneh

are you serious they have late reg for timed tournies? I mean really looooooooooooooool

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Time tournys complaints:

are you serious they have late reg for timed tournies? I mean really looooooooooooooool
Posted by beaneh

10 mins late reg on the 30 mins ones. 

FlyingDagg

Late reg for timed is a joke. 10 mins late reg for a 30 min game ?Ok make it a 20 min game. Plus i agree don would love to see some cheaper ones in the evening.

GELDY

I played a couple of timed tournies tonight. Both as a late entrant - and only because it was such a lol to late enter a timed tournie, and I can't believe that will continue.

As for Donskint's OP, I agree with his sentiment - but for opposite reasons - I would rather they had higher buy-ins, but see no reason why there can't be cheaper ones as well. Cater for everybody, why not. Sky needs to keep the Donskint's of the world happy, because many will become the Dongolds of the future.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Time tournys complaints:

I played a couple of timed tournies tonight. Both as a late entrant - and only because it was such a lol to late enter a timed tournie, and I can't believe that will continue. As for Donskint's OP, I agree with his sentiment - but for opposite reasons - I would rather they had higher buy-ins, but see no reason why there can't be cheaper ones as well. Cater for everybody, why not. Sky needs to keep the Donskint's of the world happy, because many will become the Dongolds of the future.
Posted by GELDY

Lol i think this is a sligh dig lol. Fwiw i want to see more variations of all tournaments timed tournaments inparticular, i think after 7pm there was 2 @ £3.30 and 1 @ £11 and about 20million @ $5.50. Where is the balance? 

I think the 5pm £1K GTD will become a great tournament at the £33 entry fee, how some of you higher stake folkes really support it, played a sat for it yest and even the sat structure is reasonable. 

GELDY

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In Response to Re: Time tournys complaints : Lol i think this is a sligh dig lol. 
Posted by The_Don90

Not at all - businesses should focus on their future clientele not just the current most profitable ones - as Sky does with its freerolls

Tikay10

Good morning.

This thread sort of veered off-topic, & ended up with quite a degree of resistance to Late Reg on Timed Tourneys, which is fair comment if you think that way. There is another side to the coin, though. Two other sides, actually....

1) Unlike a normal tournament, in a Timed Tourney, the value of your chip equity does NOT reduce if there are a lot of Late Registrations. The value of your chips remains IDENTICAL. Their proportion of the entire Pool reduces, obviously, but this does not reduce their value. Ignoring Reg Fees, imagine if you register for a £10 T-T & it starts with 10 players, & you double up first hand. You now have a chip value of £20. It does not matter if a thousand players Late Reg, the value of your chips has NOT declined.

2) Of all the Tournaments which have benefitted from Late Reg, Timed Tourneys have, far & away, seen the biggest impact. This is the players choice & decision - nobody forces them to. They Late Reg because they want to. So it is not as daft as it may seem at first sight. The current Guarantees on Timed Tourneys would need to be slashed immediately if Late Reg was withdrawn from T-T's. 

So the decision as to whether Late Reg continues on Timed Tourneys seems pretty cut & dried - reducing the Guarantees massively because some object to Late Reg would not go down too well, & so there are no plans to change the current system yet awhile.

Tikay10

Alsooooooooooooooooooo......

When Timed Tourneys were introduced, and again, when Late Reg was introdiced, I & others from the business repeatedly stated that nothing was cast in stone, & that during the bedding down periods, they would be tweaked, fettled & faffed with, as the evaluation & review of them continues as to player satisfaction & business objectives.

That has always been the case, & always will be.

Sky Poker try out a LOT of different things, it is an endless process, some of them succeed, some fall by the wayside. Personally, I think that is a huge plus. 

OK, it means we get a bit of flak, but so be it. Better to have tried & failed, & all that.   

BorinLoner

I understand what you're saying that the guarantees wouldn't be met if there was no late registration... but in your words, Tikay, that would not reduce the value of the players' chip equity because, with the late registration, the guarantees are always met anyway and if they aren't met the guarantees are reduced. Of course the greater numbers are good for business but it doesn't change the fact that it's a bit silly having players enter a 30 minute "Timed" Tournament with only 20 minutes to play.

Sorry Tikay but I just don't agree on this one. If you're going to have a timed tournament then it should be played over the specified amount of time. Surely that's the game. If Mo Farah was allowed to enter the 10,000m after seven-and-a-half laps had been run, I think people might find it a bit odd.

The_Don90

Thanks for reply regards to late reg in timed tournaments. 

Would it be possible to get a more varied (£2-£22) buy in range at nights, inparticualar on a wednessday please?? 

Tikay10

In Response to Re: Time tournys complaints:

I understand what you're saying that the guarantees wouldn't be met if there was no late registration... but in your words, Tikay, that would not reduce the value of the players' chip equity because, with the late registration, the guarantees are always met anyway and if they aren't met the guarantees are reduced. Of course the greater numbers are good for business but it doesn't change the fact that it's a bit silly having players enter a 30 minute "Timed" Tournament with only 20 minutes to play. Sorry Tikay but I just don't agree on this one. If you're going to have a timed tournament then it should be played over the specified amount of time. Surely that's the game. If Mo Farah was allowed to enter the 10,000m after seven-and-a-half laps had been run, I think people might find it a bit odd.
Posted by BorinLoner

With respect, that, surely, is a decision for the players to make?

Nobody forces them to, but they do, in great numbers. Why would that be?

Sky Poker do not force them to Late Reg, the players are given the option, &, it seems, choose to exercise that option. 

We must distinguish when having these debates between what we (individual players) don't like, & what is wrong. They are very different things. Just because we "dislike", or think it is "silly", does not necessarily make it wrong. 

I really don't think the Mo Green 10,000 metre analogy works, or is relevant.

I have no problem with our opposing stance on this, by the bye, & there was no need to apologise because you disagree, (as you did), we just hold different views, there is no sin in that.
 
In the grand scheme of things, Late Reg on Timed Tourneys is not really a significant issue, in my personal opinion, but it is good to debate it, & hear opposing views. 

PS - If the T-T Guarantees were snap-slashed by 30% because Late Reg was removed, there'd be a goodly bit of hoohah, trust me!

Tikay10

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Thanks for reply regards to late reg in timed tournaments.  Would it be possible to get a more varied (£2-£22) buy in range at nights, inparticualar on a wednessday please?? 
Posted by The_Don90

I will pass that up, Don, but that takes micro-managing the schedule to extreme degrees if you think about it!

Bert wants something but not on Monday (Darts night), Sally on Tuesday (Aunty Vera comes round), Don on Wednesday, Brian on Thursday (tending his allotment) & so on.

Pretty tough ask that!

But noted, & I hope you are well.

BorinLoner

Maybe there would be a bit of fuss if the guarantees were reduced (certainly an unwarranted fuss, in my view) but I do think the 10,000m analogy is accurate. If you define a tournament as being 30 minutes long, then it has a definite beginning and a definite end. If you can enter in the middle then it's not a definite duration anymore. Call it a 20+10 minute tournament and that would be fine but calling it a 30 minute tournament is wrong. It's not ideologically wrong or anything like that. It's not immoral, it's wrong in the sense that it's just factually incorrect. It's not a question merely of me disliking it, it's a question of it being mislabelled.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Time tournys complaints:

In Response to Re: Time tournys complaints : I will pass that up, Don, but that takes micro-managing the schedule to extreme degrees if you think about it! Bert wants something but not on Monday (Darts night), Sally on Tuesday (Aunty Vera comes round), Don on Wednesday, Brian on Thursday (tending his allotment) & so on. Pretty tough ask that! But noted, & I hope you are well.
Posted by Tikay10

I worded badly, id like to see it all nights, but for the orford challenege a wednessday is a must imo. 

I am well thanks tikay, i also hope you well. Thanks for passing it up.