great heart to follow through with his conviction but really on FT bubble, fold pre ) h8 the defend from the BB, prefer 3 bet - then the I got it , o no I got it raises is just lol - wouldn't be so funny if oppo did have it :S Wouldn't post it then would ya !
I dont understand why this play is being berrated we clearly know that our opponant has nothing and have stood up to the test yet some people on here dont like it because we have air. Who says we needs to have cards to win at poker? Posted by bearlyther
Can we really KNOW he has nothing though? and how many bets/raises/3,4bets did it take before 'we' KNEW he had nothing? What do you do if the guy just flats the 4bet on the flop? Just check/fold the turn? Having thrown away 20% of our stack on a stone cold bluff for nothing but ego. Tournaments at any level can be won, without this kinda play (at that statement applies to any level of buy-in).
Do the critics of this play think it is merely coincidence that hyper-aggression has become the successful style for tourneys nowadays ?
Of course there'll be plenty of times this play won't work, but if you bust with 10 high you can console yourself with the thought that you gave yourself a chance to get in one of the big money spots.
I dont understand why this play is being berrated we clearly know that our opponant has nothing and have stood up to the test yet some people on here dont like it because we have air. Who says we needs to have cards to win at poker? Posted by bearlyther
We don't KNOW he had nothing. Most of the time he is making a bad fold.
OP's play technically has alot of fold equity as he is repping big aces and FH's, so it gets through a high % but when it doesnt get through he's locked and gives away a dominating position in the tourney.
Must be so easy playing MTT's for ppl like chewy, when every other random just wants to make you fold a hand and will risk their stack in the process..
do we really play for hours and run this deep and on FT bubble to then gamble on a stone cold bluff just because you want to defend the BB ? Think your giving yourself every oppoturnity to bust rarther than win imo
credit for having the heart though ) doubt your flatting pre with an ace/JJ in the bb though ! ) or maybe not
ps. love the way you both give each other every chance to fold, telegraphed polarised raises FTW - thought Chewy would shove on you, obviously he not that good )
In Response to Re: 28k ftw, FT bubble, flop confusion : Can we really KNOW he has nothing though? and how many bets/raises/3,4bets did it take before 'we' KNEW he had nothing? What do you do if the guy just flats the 4bet on the flop? Just check/fold the turn? Having thrown away 20% of our stack on a stone cold bluff for nothing but ego. Tournaments at any level can be won, without this kinda play (at that statement applies to any level of buy-in). Posted by Lambert180
Of course we can't know villain has nothing. It becomes quite likely he is weak when he 3bets flop imo.
He's not throwing away 20% of his stack for 'nothing but ego', he's trying to gain chips by applying pressure on the bubble. Whether the play is good is debatable, but it's not neccesarily anything to do with ego
Saying tournaments at any level can be won without this type of play is highly questionable, if other players are putting this kind of pressure on you you are really unlikely to win by waiting for cards.
I'm glad i'm not good enough to either appreciate or deprecate this play. Your hand would have had me pressing the fold button quicker than the Roadrunner!! I'm aghast. Why play the hand with these m values? What was your logic to go into the pot.? Did you have a plan? What was it? I'm confused. I'll stick to my £2.30 Bh's merci beaucoup
I'm not saying there isn't a place for making moves/bluffing people in late stages of MTTs, but in this particular scenario, I'd say that a very high percentage of the time one of 2 things is gonna happen once you decide to start 3 and 4betting this flop.
1) You win a smallish pot which is not gonna make a huge impact on your chances of getting one of the very top finishing places.
2) You lose a massive chunk of your stack, which will affect your chances of getting one of the very top finishing places.
I just don't think the risk warrants the reward. Granted on this occasion he made a pretty size-able increase to his stack, but I'd say this outcome is the exception as appose to the norm.
In Response to Re: 28k ftw, FT bubble, flop confusion : Of course we can't know villain has nothing. It becomes quite likely he is weak when he 3bets flop imo. He's not throwing away 20% of his stack for 'nothing but ego', he's trying to gain chips by applying pressure on the bubble. Whether the play is good is debatable, but it's not neccesarily anything to do with ego Saying tournaments at any level can be won without this type of play is highly questionable, if other players are putting this kind of pressure on you you are really unlikely to win by waiting for cards. Posted by grantorino
I said ego ) toungu in cheek obviously but could be more of an adaptive play after the flat pre - when oppo 3 bet flop as yeah it does look weak
flatting pre from the bb, is not putting pressure on anyone - maybe hero had the idea of playing back on flop but hey....only hero knows the motives
level, level - where it's kinda obvious that oppo is weak then likewise to oppo hero looks weak -
+1 to the applying pressure but do we think that 3 betting pre is better than repping nuts on flop after we flat pre and make it beleivable we do this with any ace or JJ :S
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h8 the defend from the BB, prefer 3 bet - then the I got it , o no I got it raises is just lol -
wouldn't be so funny if oppo did have it :S Wouldn't post it then would ya !
gg egotastic
saying that chewy should just check behind )
OP's play technically has alot of fold equity as he is repping big aces and FH's, so it gets through a high % but when it doesnt get through he's locked and gives away a dominating position in the tourney.
Must be so easy playing MTT's for ppl like chewy, when every other random just wants to make you fold a hand and will risk their stack in the process..
credit for having the heart though ) doubt your flatting pre with an ace/JJ in the bb though ! ) or maybe not
ps. love the way you both give each other every chance to fold, telegraphed polarised raises FTW - thought Chewy would shove on you, obviously he not that good )
I'm glad i'm not good enough to either appreciate or deprecate this play. Your hand would have had me pressing the fold button quicker than the Roadrunner!! I'm aghast. Why play the hand with these m values? What was your logic to go into the pot.? Did you have a plan? What was it? I'm confused. I'll stick to my £2.30 Bh's merci beaucoup
1) You win a smallish pot which is not gonna make a huge impact on your chances of getting one of the very top finishing places.
2) You lose a massive chunk of your stack, which will affect your chances of getting one of the very top finishing places.
I just don't think the risk warrants the reward. Granted on this occasion he made a pretty size-able increase to his stack, but I'd say this outcome is the exception as appose to the norm.
flatting pre from the bb, is not putting pressure on anyone - maybe hero had the idea of playing back on flop but hey....only hero knows the motives
level, level - where it's kinda obvious that oppo is weak then likewise to oppo hero looks weak -
+1 to the applying pressure but do we think that 3 betting pre is better than repping nuts on flop after we flat pre and make it beleivable we do this with any ace or JJ :S
the whole hand just seems totally out of line
gg