Good Bluff Spot?

Lambert180

Good chance to bluff here? I figured his weak bet on the turn was an attempt to hit his draw cheap and I was happy to continue cheaply with such a big draw. Then when he makes the same bet on the river, I think it's only gonna be a terribly weak hand he just wants a showdown with

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
grahamnew	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.59
arrbee10	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.30
	Your hole cards	10 Q
boom10	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£3.71
paul1922	Call		£0.12	£0.30	£8.20
Margot86	Fold
Lambert180	Call		£0.12	£0.42	£4.28
grahamnew	Raise		£0.18	£0.60	£2.41
arrbee10	Fold
boom10	Call		£0.08	£0.68	£3.63
paul1922	Call		£0.08	£0.76	£8.12
Lambert180	Call		£0.08	£0.84	£4.20
Flop
		3 J 9
grahamnew	Bet		£0.42	£1.26	£1.99
boom10	Call		£0.42	£1.68	£3.21
paul1922	Fold
Lambert180	Call		£0.42	£2.10	£3.78
Turn
		5
grahamnew	Bet		£0.04	£2.14	£1.95
boom10	Call		£0.04	£2.18	£3.17
Lambert180	Raise		£0.40	£2.58	£3.38
grahamnew	Call		£0.36	£2.94	£1.59
boom10	Fold
River
		4
grahamnew	Bet		£0.04	£2.98	£1.55
Lambert180	Raise		£1.55	£4.53	£1.83
grahamnew	Fold
Lambert180	Muck
Lambert180	Win		£2.79		£4.62
Lambert180	Return		£1.51	£0.23	£6.13

percival09

I don't like it. You're bluffing at 4nl, it's likely they'll call you down with anything so it's too risky imo. 

You flat the flop to try and hit, so do the same on the turn. You're getting unbelievable odds and it's better to keep other players in for when you hit imo. 

Plus it's such a small raise. Wtf you repping? 

Lambert180

Looking back it was a bit too small, but I basically treated the 4p as a check and I wanted to increase the size of the pot with such a big draw, while keeping everyone in the pot. This raises makes it TONS easier to get stacks in on the river when I hit and when I don't I'm not committed and can let go (if he hadn't have made such a weak bet).

NColley

raise/call flop

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: Good Bluff Spot?:

raise/call flop
Posted by NColley

Indeed. The good bluffing spot is on the flop. Here you have a straight-draw, a flush draw and an overcard. It's very likely that all of those are live and at this stage you're probably a favourite in the hand anyway. I know that semi-bluffing at NL4 is usually considered to be bad but if you're the favourite to win then you're not really bluffing at all anymore, you're value betting.

In this spot, even if they have a set you've got many outs. Worst nightmare is going to be the better flush draw, which is unlikely and even then you have many outs. So raise the flop and try to get as much money in there as possible.

As you've played the flop, just call the turn and fold the river... for 4p.

DOHHHHHHH

You can raise/call or just shove flop. You can flat too.

Dunno what's going on on the turn, no need to do that just call.

Just call river.

Lambert180

I know it's only 4p Doh but how can I call the river with Q-high?

So no-one agrees then that his turn and river bet are clearly the bets of someone with very weak holdings who doesn't want to call a big bet?

If all else fails, at least people will know I don't always have the nuts when I raise the river

grantorino

Prefer raising flop, calling ok though

Not a big fan of raising turn unless you bluff some missed rivers. If you do raise make it more

I like river, you might be able to call getting~75/1 if you wanted

1267

Yee you've kinda got to raise the flop and look to get it in.  Dream flop.

As played,   decent play IMO.   maybe just the wrong level.

At nl40 nl50 your just never ever getting called on the river, unless they've backdoored nut flush.

Edit : When i say called  ^^^ they'd obv raise.

Wilhelm

To answer the thread title: No.

I was going to go on a massive rant about how there are no good bluffing spots at NL4, but I'd be lying.  There are.  This definately isn't one though. 

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Good Bluff Spot?:

To answer the thread title: No. I was going to go on a massive rant about how there are no good bluffing spots at NL4, but I'd be lying.  There are.  This definately isn't one though. 
Posted by Wilhelm

Yeah I definitely think there are opportunities to bluff at 4NL so I'm glad you took that back lol.

I don't understand why this aint one though. The way he's played it, does it not look SO much like he is drawing and trying to do it cheaply. So by the river when the straight draw and flush draw have both missed (I'm discounting the BD flush), surely I can easily take it away from him when he probably has nothing, especially when he bets so weak.

Wilhelm

In Response to Re: Good Bluff Spot?:

In Response to Re: Good Bluff Spot? : Yeah I definitely think there are opportunities to bluff at 4NL so I'm glad you took that back lol. I don't understand why this aint one though. The way he's played it, does it not look SO much like he is drawing and trying to do it cheaply. So by the river when the straight draw and flush draw have both missed (I'm discounting the BD flush), surely I can easily take it away from him when he probably has nothing, especially when he bets so weak.
Posted by Lambert180

It looks to me like its either a draw or a pair he is willing to call down with.  I don't see the need to get involved.

Wilhelm

In Response to Re: Good Bluff Spot?:

In Response to Re: Good Bluff Spot? : It looks to me like its either a draw or a pair he is willing to call down with.  I don't see the need to get involved.
Posted by Wilhelm

I thought Id add that sometimes I go on another site that gave me a free bankro11 and i dont even bother 1ooking for good b1uffing spots, i just try to make everyone fo1d.  Somehow Im in profit.  It makes me fee1 big anyway.

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Good Bluff Spot?:

In Response to Re: Good Bluff Spot? : It looks to me like its either a draw or a pair he is willing to call down with.  I don't see the need to get involved.
Posted by Wilhelm

Because there's a £3 pot just sitting there and he clearly isn't confident in his hand? I'm not turning down virtually a full BI that's just sitting there for the taking. If he does call at least I can put a note either that he min-bets monsters on the river to trap or he min-bets junk on the river and still calls a big raise, or whatever.

Wilhelm

In Response to Re: Good Bluff Spot?:

In Response to Re: Good Bluff Spot? : Because there's a £3 pot just sitting there and he clearly isn't confident in his hand? I'm not turning down virtually a full BI that's just sitting there for the taking. If he does call at least I can put a note either that he min-bets monsters on the river to trap or he min-bets junk on the river and still calls a big raise, or whatever.
Posted by Lambert180

Yeah, but people like to call.

Edit: you dont need to bet that much to get a missed draw to fo1d

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Good Bluff Spot?:

In Response to Re: Good Bluff Spot? : Yeah, but people like to call. Edit: you dont need to bet that much to get a missed draw to fo1d
Posted by Wilhelm

That probably is true, but as you said people like to call, and I knew a bigger better would put people off doing anything crazy like calling with junk pairs like maybe A4 or A5 of diamonds (which I'm behind to).

samboram45

get as much money in on flop as possible

liamboi11

dont like bluffing at this level

you should defo be raising the flop the intention of gettin it in here 

grantorino

Raising is not going to be that much better than calling