In Response to Re: NEW CHALLENGE : thanks mate no il be starting at 4nl eventho 200 quid gives the br to start at 10nl the reason for this is i have been involved in alot of debates bout the 4nl being "unbeatable" and its better to play higher so im trying to prove a point at this level my aim would be to win 7-10 buyins (profit) at each level before moving on Posted by DrRunGood
ok but having played with you b4 you I think you will defo crush this level and be playin 50nl in no time m8
Well John I reckon you'll find it pretty unstimulating playing the low limits after going as high as NL200 recently and you like certainly seem to like getting involved in the big pots so I predict a reload and a return to NL50 by about the middle of the month.
Well John I reckon you'll find it pretty unstimulating playing the low limits after going as high as NL200 recently and you like certainly seem to like getting involved in the big pots so I predict a reload and a return to NL50 by about the middle of the month. Best of luck either way tho pal. Posted by SJspanky1
il be mixing my game up mate between sats stt and cash and i do like getting into the big pots. going to the micro stakes tho lets me try new things and improve my multi tabling. you just want me back on 50nl to keep toping your br up lol hopefully il be back soon mate
You can beat 4NL if you know how to spell the word 'POKER'. It really is so so soft. The people who say it's unbeatable are losing players who don't know how to take bad beats.
You can beat 4NL if you know how to spell the word 'POKER'. It really is so so soft. The people who say it's unbeatable are losing players who don't know how to take bad beats. Posted by died
i think this is a narrow minded and disrespectful remark as i know of alot of good player that play 4nl that could rival alot of players at 100nl and its this sort of thinking that alot of people jump into the 4nl level thinkin they can walk it.
can't remember properly but pretty sure coxylboro dropped 10 buyins at 4nl during his bankroll challenge blog, n hes someone that completely destroys the cash games higher up lol
It's a simple case of adjusting your game. People who can't beat 4NL, can't adjust their game. It's no different if you were playing 100NL live and had a table full of complete idiots calling everything, you wouldn't make moves would you? You just adjust to the game, and the adjustment with 4NL is that most people are loose passive, call too much pre, call too much post, and stack off too light (all good things for us).
Coxy may have dropped 10 BIs, as we all do sometimes, whether we're Phil Ivey or me, and no matter what level we play, but he got through it because he knows how to adapt.
ive been watchin alot of 4nl and seeing how its played and i dont think it has to be as tight as top 10 i have a few things running round my head but i am expecting to maybe get 10 bi swings here but ultimately im expecting to leave in good profit and i think alot can be learnt at this level i could take to my normal level of play to give me an edge. especially as alot of players who claim to do so well higher cant handle the 4nl
I wouldn't suggest any more than 6 tables to start because you want to get a few notes on people, I have notes on people that they will call a big overshove on the river with 2nd pr on a straightening and flushing board for instance. Some people stack off super light (probably about 70% of people at 4NL to be fair lol) but you need to know which ones they are and which ones are sitting there multi-tabling and waiting for AK or JJ+
People keep talking about variance at 4NL, but I don't think it's really that much higher variance than any other forms of the game. The key thing in 4NL is that you aint going to be really aggressive with draws, you aint gonna be bluffing etc, so you're mostly gonna be getting it in when you're good and may have to dodge an out or two, so it's really not half as swingy as people say.
For instance, the last 5 sessions I've played have all been in profit (I aint running good), and they've all contained coolers or mistakes from me where I've lost 1-2 BIs during the session, but if you stick at it and do the right things, it shouldn't be too hard to grind your way out of it and still come out with a profit. As they say, every bit of profit you make is directly in line with whether your opponent makes more mistakes than you and how big their mistakes are, and at this level, some people will make horrendous mistakes like calling a shove with just a gutshot.
ok just had a wee hour there on the 4nl quite interesting balnace is now £261.98 about £10 profit not bad almost my hourly rate at work so heres how it broke down
2012-09-07 14:38:55
1989277176
Cash Table
Chard
Micro No Limit
£4.78
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:38:22
1989276082
Cash Table
Nailsea
Micro No Limit
£0.00
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:37:36
1989274591
Cash Table
Axbridge
Micro No Limit
£0.00
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:35:53
1989271091
Cash Table
White House
Micro No Limit
£4.01
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:34:44
1989268724
Cash Table
Jamestown
Micro No Limit
£14.14
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:33:23
1989265944
Cash Table
Charlton
Micro No Limit
£3.97
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:32:12
1989263569
Cash Table
Chapel Drive
Micro No Limit
£11.23
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:31:58
1989263114
Cash Table
Banstead
Micro No Limit
£7.92
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:31:28
1989262214
Cash Table
Well Meadow
Micro No Limit
£5.94
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:31:23
1989262030
Cash Table
Call Lane
Micro No Limit
£0.00
£4.00
2012-09-07 14:28:20
1989256022
Cash Table
Erewash
Micro No Limit
£3.01
£8.00
2012-09-07 14:27:31
1989254376
Cash Table
Calais.
Micro No Limit
£8.37
£4.65
so £10.72 profit aint bad on first go play not as crazy as i thought 1 or 2 players but in end i got my money plus back from them find that when you hit and want to keep people in 1/2 pot raise works well.
I didn't play it too well - i knew you had a set but was being stubborn due to tilt. You'd been binking off me the entire session playing junk hands.
What are the reasons behind calling a massive 3-bet with a tiny pocket pair? What you gonna do when you miss? Awful play from someone who lives up to his monicker. Lots of love from Pipunch
Hand 1 is absolutely fine, always just call along cheaply with small PPs, then when it gets raised, you've only gotta call 36p to win £1.04 and can usually count on having the implied odds with sets at 4NL.
Hand 2 is completely horrific, even if I raised and someone made this move with 50BB I would snap fold, for 150BB it's just not even worth considering under any circumstances. So looks like it could have been £16 profit if not for that horrific call lol.
But yeah, that's what I said in my post but I think yuo'd already started when I posted it, there are enough bad players to get back anything you might lose from coolers/mistakes you make.
You've got no chance at NL4 playing like that. I didn't play it too well - i knew you had a pocket pair but was being stubborn due to tilt. You'd been binking off me the entire session playing junk hands. What are the reasons behind calling a massive 3-bet with a tiny pocket pair? What you gonna do when you miss? Awful play from someone who lives up to his monicker. Lots of love from Pipunch Posted by died
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Best of luck either way tho pal.
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but as i said before i want to make £40 on 4nl to prove the level can be beat so i start the challenge today
my thoughts on the 4nl level is simple as many tables as pos to iron out the big variance experianced at this level
I wouldn't suggest any more than 6 tables to start because you want to get a few notes on people, I have notes on people that they will call a big overshove on the river with 2nd pr on a straightening and flushing board for instance. Some people stack off super light (probably about 70% of people at 4NL to be fair lol) but you need to know which ones they are and which ones are sitting there multi-tabling and waiting for AK or JJ+
People keep talking about variance at 4NL, but I don't think it's really that much higher variance than any other forms of the game. The key thing in 4NL is that you aint going to be really aggressive with draws, you aint gonna be bluffing etc, so you're mostly gonna be getting it in when you're good and may have to dodge an out or two, so it's really not half as swingy as people say.
For instance, the last 5 sessions I've played have all been in profit (I aint running good), and they've all contained coolers or mistakes from me where I've lost 1-2 BIs during the session, but if you stick at it and do the right things, it shouldn't be too hard to grind your way out of it and still come out with a profit. As they say, every bit of profit you make is directly in line with whether your opponent makes more mistakes than you and how big their mistakes are, and at this level, some people will make horrendous mistakes like calling a shove with just a gutshot.
gl at the tables.
Run good.
biggest lose hand
tbh none of these hands put me in a good light
Hand 2 is completely horrific, even if I raised and someone made this move with 50BB I would snap fold, for 150BB it's just not even worth considering under any circumstances. So looks like it could have been £16 profit if not for that horrific call lol.
But yeah, that's what I said in my post but I think yuo'd already started when I posted it, there are enough bad players to get back anything you might lose from coolers/mistakes you make.
Well played and nice work for your first session.
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