Fine to call here?

Wilhelm

I struggle to work these things out in 15 seconds, but if he has one pair I'm a slight favourite, if he has two pair I'm a slight dog, and if he has a set I'm 2-1.

My question is should I ever consider how many of my outs have already been folded before I make a call?  

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.30
budgiebill	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.18
	Your hole cards	Q A
mic1e	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.30
anikruh	Fold
Wilhelm	Raise		£0.16	£0.26	£4.02
bri49	Fold
chipchick	Fold
	Call		£0.14	£0.40	£2.16
budgiebill	Fold
mic1e	Call		£0.12	£0.52	£2.18
Flop
		J 10 6
	Check
mic1e	Check
Wilhelm	Bet		£0.32	£0.84	£3.70
	All-in		£2.16	£3.00	£0.00
mic1e	Fold
Wilhelm	Call		£1.84	£4.84	£1.86
	Show	J 6
Wilhelm	Show	Q A
Turn
		6
River
		3
	Win	Full House, 6s and Jacks	£4.47		£4.47

Lambert180

I snap call, I think it's really unlikely you're gonna walk into a set here, you've definitely got 4 Kings, and 8 hearts (I discounted the Kh) and you will more often than not count the 3 Aces and the 3 Queens.

Wilhelm

What I'm thinking is 5 hands have already folded.  What are the odds of some hearts or Kings having already been folded?  I can't think of how to work this out.  Surely this should impact on my decision, although I don't think I have ever heard it being discussed before.

grantorino

Basically never fold this spot

GREGHOGG

u dont have to work this out

u got the nut draw x2 get em in!

Wilhelm

In Response to Re: Fine to call here?:

pointless post award goes 2 im sorry but if u aint calling this then u shoulnt be playing the game your not even much of a dog against a set lol 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

2-1 dog vs. a set isn't peanuts, but I take your point.

Lambert180

You can't ever calculate folded cards in your odds because you just don't know. You could equally say, what if everyone folded 72, 56, 49 etc so that increases my odds of hitting a K, you just can't do it.

So you work out your outs purely based on what you KNOW.... the community cards and your cards.

So you definitely have 12 outs, and probably alot more likely 18 outs which is not far off half the remaining pack lol.

DrRunGood

fine call you going in knowing your behind but with the potential of your hand its worth the call

u_sud_fold

easiest call ever

great post    [ ]

Wilhelm

In Response to Re: Fine to call here?:

You can't ever calculate folded cards in your odds because you just don't know. You could equally say, what if everyone folded 72, 56, 49 etc so that increases my odds of hitting a K, you just can't do it. So you work out your outs purely based on what you KNOW.... the community cards and your cards. So you definitely have 12 outs, and probably alot more likely 18 outs which is not far off half the remaining pack lol.
Posted by Lambert180

Doh!  I think my brain must have broken.

bearlyther

snap call