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Lacking Motivation

WilhelmWilhelm Member Posts: 1,730
edited September 2012 in Poker Chat
I recently read an article in Poker Player magazine about beating PLO25.  I don't really have any interest in beating PLO25, but I paid for the magazine so I was going to get my money's worth.

The main thing that jumped out at me was a very simple point, but one that it's worth reminding ourselves every now and again.  When you sit down to play poker, make sure you really want to.  I've lost count of the amount of times I've played a cash session or tournament, donked off all my chips and then thought that I'd rather have been playing FIFA 12.

After giving some thought to the reasons I might want to play poker, one stands out above others; to win money.  I've come to a realisation that I only enjoy poker if I am winning.  I think this is a natural reaction.  I've noticed that if I go on even a small downswing my motivation to play diminishes, and I'm sure this is having an effect on my game during the downswings.  

It makes me wonder how professional players get through downswings.  They have to play but they can't be looking forward to the next session.

So what's the solution?  To take a break?  Well, I don't really want to.  I'm not enjoying losing money, but I still want to play.  I want to do something I do not enjoy.  It's a real kerfuffle.


Comments

  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited September 2012
    Nice post. Addiction springs to mind. 

    Perhaps find a new hobby to take up your time along side poker? Learn how to play the guitar? Oil painting? Become a professional darts player. 

    I think I'm in a similar boat. Poker sucks. 
  • WilhelmWilhelm Member Posts: 1,730
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Lacking Motivation:
    Nice post. Addiction springs to mind.  Perhaps find a new hobby to take up your time along side poker? Learn how to play the guitar? Oil painting? Become a professional darts player.  I think I'm in a similar boat. Poker sucks. 
    Posted by percival09
    Exactly what I was thinking as I was writing it.


  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited September 2012
    As long as you acknowledge it, as you seem to be doing, and address it in the short term rather than the long term then you'll be ok. Just don't let it control you. Be strong enough to say no, maybe set limits. 
  • DazlerDazler Member Posts: 3,970
    edited September 2012
    yea i sometimes ask myself this question but never seem to answer it. I play way too much sometimes. I love playing the game and always will but sometimes i should as you said take a break from downswings and play on the old xbox for a change. Its a weird one and i do take breaks but its not prob as often as i should. I only like it if im winning which is only natural 'none of us like losing'! But maybe the way around this is to set a number of games to play and a time limit. Addiction is there still though and i do have an addictive personality combined with a competitive streak so im doomed lol. Will i change i dont know? maybe one day.
  • devonfish5devonfish5 Member Posts: 4,291
    edited September 2012
    hi wilhelm,
    i was in a similar situation myself not really knowing what to play or when to play,etc.
    so that's when i began my dym challenge 4 monthe ago.
    now i'm not suggesting that you do the same thing for one minute,but 4 me anyway it has worked wonderfully.
    i have a focus to play, a set target to reach and a real enjoyment of the challenge.
    some might even argue that i'm playing too much,but i think it's better than not playing enough.
    i get what you mean about only enjoying it when you are winning,same here,don't think anyone really enjoys losing,do they.
    but having losing sessions is all part of the deal when you sign up to play on-line poker,it's like 'fish going with chips'it will happen.
    again i get over this by taking the month 'as a whole' and providing i have made some profit,then i am happy,something that i think many more players could/should start doing.
    anyway,
    just thought i'd share this with you.gl with whatever you decide
    :)
    dev
  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited September 2012
    i think you develop a certain level of confidence in your game...to the point where you login expecting/knowing that you are likely to win.

    to make that leap to become a pro i imagine these players have the confidence needed to keep playing when its going against them.  bankroll management helps take some of the sting out of the downswings and most top players control themselves in terms of how long they play during losing sessions etc so that during winning sessions they win more than they lose during losing sessions.
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited September 2012
    Yeah, I think we all enjoy winning more than losing, and I definitely have that similar thing when you're losing for long periods of time you really lose to urge to want to play. I love the game and enjoy playing it whether I win or lose (as long as the losing aint massive), but I obviously enjoy winning more. I think for me personally, I am a super competetive person, and will always try my hardest to be the best... granted in the world of poker this is nigh on impossible and I know I don't even come close, but my dislike of losing forces my to strive to be better.

    "Always reach for the moon, cause even if you miss you land among the stars."


    But yeah, 99% of us don't do this for a living, if you were then you can say like many other people (not just poker players) 'I don't particularly love my job but it pays well', but as we don't do it for a living, the only reason to do it is for enjoyment.

    Find a level, you can beat even if it's 4NL or £1 DYMs or whatever, get better if you can't beat it, and if that's the best level you can ever beat, then so what, at least you'll be playing and enjoying winning. I'd rather enjoy winning at 4NL and be unhappy about losing at 50NL.
  • WilhelmWilhelm Member Posts: 1,730
    edited September 2012
    On the subject of addiction, because I find it an interesting one, how much do you think that anyone who plays poker regularly is addicted to it.

    I play poker almost everyday, but for me it has always been about winning money.  I don't think I could ever play poker if I sat down expecting to lose.
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited September 2012
    Interesting question... I think it varies from person to person obv. Personally I have the kinda personality that goes into something 100% if I'm doing it at all. I'm like that with anything, for instance, when I got Oblivion on the Xbox 360, I started playing it, got into and proper hammered it, must have racked up 80 hours on my save game within 2 weeks, then I finished it and I was done with it lol. Or when I started to play chess, I wanted to get good, so I play tons and tons til I got better.

    So when I set myself a goal in poker, I do hammer it, but I don't treat it much different to many other habits/addictions/hobbies.

    No doubt there are people who are super addicted though, like any other gambling. and like you (no matter how much I enjoy the game) I could never carry on playing if I was a habitual loser. I've seen some people on Sharkscope that are more £2000 down, and some people who are literally 10 times that down, I don't understand how you could continue to play when it's like that. It's sometimes an unfortunate truth, but these people are needed to keep the break even and winning players in the game.

    Also some people see it as just paying for entertainment, in the same way people who pay £40 to go to a concert, some people are happy to pay £40 to get the excitement of playing poker, seeing if you're 2 outter comes in etc and couldn't care less if they win or lose. More of them please lol.
  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited September 2012
    After a while winning/losing does not feel the same as it did back when you first start.

    Winning holds no excitement whilst losing is annoying but probably not in the way you'd think.


    The gambling part is interesting, depends what you're addicted to I guess, if it's the physicaly monetary swongs then you're just not normal however if it's addiction to the competitive mind games and physcology of playing poekr then that would seem some what healthier :p
  • gerardirlgerardirl Member Posts: 1,299
    edited September 2012
    Yes good question and for me the key is to find a balance between playing poker and other leisure activities. Personally i set myself little goals - whether its reaching a certain target in my bankroll or my position on sharkscope leaderboards. When I have a bad run I see it as a challenge, it is a chance for me to redeem myself and win back what I lost. But getting back to your question like most of the posts have said get a balance of different activities in your leisure time.

    Ger
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