this promo should of been done in a format of league points, not poker points. only the high rollers will get into the top 6 so not done on a fair playing field imo. Posted by CHILLIE
Couldn't agree more...its a closed shop and doesn't promote for lower volume players, whatsoever. However, SKY is a business and its a 'up your volume' promotion. Some grinders, i know, are even swapping from cash etc to get in on it. I understand the reasons for doing it.
Why not have a minimum number of games and highest ROI's or win rates over that period get the invite. It wouldn't be difficult to do and would see some different names on the tables too. For people who are beating say DYM's, i'd prefer to see a shoot out with the 'best' ones NOT the ones who just play the most. You could start by taking the name CHAMP off the promotion and maybe call it '8TABLESATATIME' or is that too many letters? HAHA...
A little more imagination please MR SKY for players on your site who haven't the cash/time to multi table for 6 hours a day. Spread the promotions out throughout your volume levels or they will receive resentment and alienation from players who think you are ignoring them.
I was considering playing 6x£3.30 dym's a night this week instead of 5 but i'm not going to now as a token gesture...LOL(last bit was in tongue in cheek guys so no silly replies to it please eh, but the rest is my honest view)
I do agree with chillie that it is aimed at the high rollers as the top 6 at the end of the week will be the top 6 rake earners on sng`s for that week which will massively favour the higher stakes players and i also see were tommy is coming from by saying that they oppertunity is there for everyone to multitable the higher stakes and have a crack at this but sadly it is only available for those with huge bankrolls ie the high rollers. I applaude sky for trying to do something for the sng players but if this was to run again then a different structure would mean the best 6 sng players make the final 6 and not just the 6 highest rake makers. I wish everyone who is trying to make the final 6 the best of luck, I am in the middle of a challenge of my own so wont be stepping up to higher stakes to fight for one of those places.
Why not have a sit and go competition where people put their name forward if they wish they wish to play. A draw is then made placing the players in a DYM stt, say 5.50 buy in to suit all or most players. Top 3 go through to next round, rinse and repeat until we are down to the final 6 and then a prizepool of sky's choice......
May be a bad idea, and would need some tweaking, but the winner of this would have more of a claim to being sit and go champ and would also be more of a laugh imo....
Why not have a sit and go competition where people put their name forward if they wish they wish to play. A draw is then made placing the players in a DYM stt, say 5.50 buy in to suit all or most players. Top 3 go through to next round, rinse and repeat until we are down to the final 6 and then a prizepool of sky's choice...... May be a bad idea, and would need some tweaking, but the winner of this would have more of a claim to being sit and go champ and would also be more of a laugh imo.... Posted by waller02
That would be called DYM champ I assume. I think a league points system here has to be the way forward otherwise there is no incentive for the lower stakes SNG grinders to bother. Also what about the non DYM SNGs. There simply is never enough of these running to be able to compete with the £11 and £5 DYMs. The most scarys Ive ever managed to multi table was 6 at a time and that was al £5 and below.
I think it's going to be close between people who only play £55+ and those who play £11+ purely on the amount of games that run during the day. There are many more at mid stake, although from 7pm onwards the £55 games get going at a decent rate. I think the final will have a mix of mid stakes and high stakes regs. I do think it will be hard for the lower stake regs to get in, although not impossible. Posted by TommyD
Hi Tommy I'd like to see the numbers of low level players in it at the end. They certainly won't be the ones with highest win rates a if they are, then only by coincidence. There are grinders switching to this even though its not their regular game as they know that their volume will be enough to qualify regardless of results. How can that be the criteria for a competition? It doesn'tmake sense and everybody reaing the promotion surely understands this.
Could Sky not introduce something where good results over a period provide a table tournament so that good players with lowver volume or smaller BR's but higher win rates can fight with the BIG boys and not let it be cash dependent? I got a free entry for the Roller for winning the overall monthly DTd. Now £110 is well out of my range for entries but playing with MattBates and Saradog (who won it) as well as a silver star winner etc really gave me a buzz as well as making me realise how much i've to learn. It was an experience and one which will make me play more in the future. Surely thats the aim of a promotion.
Personally, i'd rather see a table playing with players who'd won say 75% of games in a week after a prescribed number of games specified by SKY, maybe, than amassing a trillion points and qualifying that way. I'd feel that i could then possibly glean something from play which has been successful under the criteria.
In Response to Re: sit and go champ : That would be called DYM champ I assume. I think a league points system here has to be the way forward otherwise there is no incentive for the lower stakes SNG grinders to bother. Also what about the non DYM SNGs. There simply is never enough of these running to be able to compete with the £11 and £5 DYMs. The most scarys Ive ever managed to multi table was 6 at a time and that was al £5 and below. Posted by mj8bs
Or any sit and go comp with a knockout format.....but the league points system would also work better I agree, which brings the question: Why did sky ever scrap the league in the first place????, one of their poorer ideas for sure!
The trouble with any promo etc is you will never appeal or make everyone happy.
I know what everyone is saying but if this would have been done on a format as suggested ie 2 from each section I think you would have seen a very angry forum here why, because how would the £5 DYM players have felt when for example Tommyd turned up at your table because he knew that way he would be gtn a final freeroll place due to his edge?
Also I know a lot of criticism that it benfits the higher level players but isnt their rake that will be the majorty of the money used to finance this?
I am just trying to make people look at all sides and how hard it is to come up with a format that works and gets the higher level players to play enough to make this financial work and therefore can lead to more promos in the future, which is what players did ask for which is something for the STG players not just for cash play.
Ok, so I'm seriously thinking of stopping playing high stake DYMs while this is happening and getting in the final playing low level games just to show if it is possible.
You guys choose the rules.
Give me the highest level you think reg SnG players are being excluded at by this promotion, don't just say 60p unless you honestly think that. From these discussions I think the line is somewhere between £11-£22
Going to re open the grind in an hour. When I get a chance I'll post all the games I've played and people can make adjustments as they wish, hopefully we will get a points total at the end and we'll see if I could have done it without the 55ers and 82.5ers I've played today.
I've just signed up for every DYM £5.50 and less. I think we can agree these are below the line, let me know how far I can go up. Posted by TommyD
Tommy, I think you should play every game below £11 this week so I can avoid playing you and hopefully make a nice profit without us beating each other up
It still doesnt get away from the fact that sit and go "champ" is hardly the right name for this comp, the whole promotion tickles me tbh "Are you a sit and go champ???".....no, I'm someone who plays more stts than anyone else win OR lose (I know that the likes of tommyd and pat do actually crush the dyms.....just saying)
In Response to Re: sit and go champ : I'm willing to lay a prop that this can't be done at £5.50 or less. And willing to just bet, and not put any money down that it still can't be done at the £11s. Posted by patwalshh
Not prop betting (that's gotten threads in trouble before). It's for the prestige and to prove a point, whoever's point is proven, don't mind which.
Tommy you don't have to grind the lower levels to prove anything I can tell you now that if you 10 table £3&£5 dym's you will average 80 points an hour a higher stakes player will get that from just 1 £50 & 1 £30 sum which will last 45 mins tops.
Also to my knowledge there are only 3 players that play 10 or more low level dym's at a time as playing more than 6 is out of most players capability.
In Response to Re: sit and go champ : I'm willing to lay a prop that this can't be done at £5.50 or less. And willing to just bet, and not put any money down that it still can't be done at the £11s. EDIT: I'd actually bet it can't be done at the £11s Posted by patwalshh
Cool Pat, I'll set the line at £11 and under for now. Open for anyone else to give their opinion.
Tommy you don't have to grind the lower levels to prove anything I can tell you now that if you 10 table £3&£5 dym's you will average 80 points an hour a higher stakes player will get that from just 1 £50 & 1 £30 sum which will last 45 mins tops. Also to my knowledge there are only 3 players that play 10 or more low level dym's at a time as playing more than 6 is out of most players capability. Posted by kevcoke69
I'm curious to see if it can be done, that's all. Also always nice to have a challenge
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Why not have a minimum number of games and highest ROI's or win rates over that period get the invite. It wouldn't be difficult to do and would see some different names on the tables too. For people who are beating say DYM's, i'd prefer to see a shoot out with the 'best' ones NOT the ones who just play the most. You could start by taking the name CHAMP off the promotion and maybe call it '8TABLESATATIME' or is that too many letters? HAHA...
A little more imagination please MR SKY for players on your site who haven't the cash/time to multi table for 6 hours a day. Spread the promotions out throughout your volume levels or they will receive resentment and alienation from players who think you are ignoring them.
I was considering playing 6x£3.30 dym's a night this week instead of 5 but i'm not going to now as a token gesture...LOL(last bit was in tongue in cheek guys so no silly replies to it please eh, but the rest is my honest view)
I applaude sky for trying to do something for the sng players but if this was to run again then a different structure would mean the best 6 sng players make the final 6 and not just the 6 highest rake makers.
I wish everyone who is trying to make the final 6 the best of luck, I am in the middle of a challenge of my own so wont be stepping up to higher stakes to fight for one of those places.
May be a bad idea, and would need some tweaking, but the winner of this would have more of a claim to being sit and go champ and would also be more of a laugh imo....
i think sit and go champ should be the person with the biggest win rate not the biggest bankroll.
I'd like to see the numbers of low level players in it at the end. They certainly won't be the ones with highest win rates a if they are, then only by coincidence. There are grinders switching to this even though its not their regular game as they know that their volume will be enough to qualify regardless of results. How can that be the criteria for a competition? It doesn'tmake sense and everybody reaing the promotion surely understands this.
Could Sky not introduce something where good results over a period provide a table tournament so that good players with lowver volume or smaller BR's but higher win rates can fight with the BIG boys and not let it be cash dependent? I got a free entry for the Roller for winning the overall monthly DTd. Now £110 is well out of my range for entries but playing with MattBates and Saradog (who won it) as well as a silver star winner etc really gave me a buzz as well as making me realise how much i've to learn. It was an experience and one which will make me play more in the future. Surely thats the aim of a promotion.
Personally, i'd rather see a table playing with players who'd won say 75% of games in a week after a prescribed number of games specified by SKY, maybe, than amassing a trillion points and qualifying that way. I'd feel that i could then possibly glean something from play which has been successful under the criteria.
You guys choose the rules.
Give me the highest level you think reg SnG players are being excluded at by this promotion, don't just say 60p unless you honestly think that. From these discussions I think the line is somewhere between £11-£22
Going to re open the grind in an hour. When I get a chance I'll post all the games I've played and people can make adjustments as they wish, hopefully we will get a points total at the end and we'll see if I could have done it without the 55ers and 82.5ers I've played today.
Post quickly, times awasting.
I've just signed up for every DYM £5.50 and less. I think we can agree these are below the line, let me know how far I can go up.
It still doesnt get away from the fact that sit and go "champ" is hardly the right name for this comp, the whole promotion tickles me tbh "Are you a sit and go champ???".....no, I'm someone who plays more stts than anyone else win OR lose (I know that the likes of tommyd and pat do actually crush the dyms.....just saying)
Still it is very generous of sky and gl to all
So Pat are you saying 5.5 or 11?