I posted this hand in my thread + here
Not sure about this hand, is pre ok - think I should go more
I got 17bb behind - 12bb effective roughly :S - last 30 or 40 or something - deepish -
Too much to get it in with TPTK versus a donk pot size -
I thought about a fold then called last minute as the time bar started to end
Last thoughts were TPGK or draw - K9/Q9/109 - meh !
oppo seemed happy about their hand, they ain't folding, but am I happy enough about mine versus what is a very strong lead
But I haven't been opening much so it's not like oppo getting annoyed with me is it )
What you guys think, if I lose I am 6bb - ez shove/fold poker but mmm 12bb at risk
gotta say no real reads on this oppo, I not been opening a huge amount - oppo hasn't seem to be defending
To be honest I was playing a few cash tables, so I wasn't paying that much attention at this stage
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Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
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splend | Big blind | | 800.00 | 800.00 | 12237.50 |
| Your hole cards | | | | |
vegasman | Fold | | | | |
rancid | Raise | | 1745.00 | 2545.00 | 14390.00 |
Clackett | Fold | | | | |
ChirpyChip | Fold | | | | |
splend | Call | | 945.00 | 3490.00 | 11292.50 |
Flop |
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| | | | | |
splend | Bet | | 4000.00 | 7490.00 | 7292.50 |
rancid |
Comments
made me laugh )
something like that , TP - draw mmmm FU with ya donk bet - take that !!!!!!!!
I agree with grantorino that post flop you have to jam, villain has any pair or weakish FD, prob would CR any good hand.
I fold pre (i do note your 5 handed). Reasons are 1) you've 20 BB, find better spots, better position, 2) PFR is too small, any larger wastes chips if called with a hand that has low potential and could well end if trouble (ie TP wk K)
3) you price the BB in with almost any playable hand, 4) youve opened the door for a re-steal by the 10-15BB stacks.
So we only raising with hands we happy getting all in pre flop with 40 players remaining ?
What hands are you happy getting it in pre flop and also raising with - 3% ?
So sit tight wait for a hand, no point in blind stealing and picking up 1200 ?
Sorry at what size stack do you try and pick up chips in a MTT, 30bb + ?
Maybe this is why SKY needs antes )
to suggest that sky need antes to help erradicate tight play by poeple like specifically me is ridiculous & rude.
I answered YOUR query with my opinion. I certainly am not going to detail my raising standards, who how and why i target my blind steals. Play some £11 SnG and find out.
Not being rude, just saying that part of MTT survival is not just about raising with hands you want to get it in with - we have to extract some chips and build a stack
Your thinking works fine in a SNG, but imo not in a fast paced MTT
Antes would force action, therefore more players have to get involved
At the moment people just wait around for hands, that's all I am saying
take care
as for antes i have no opinion, and for the mid-late tourney strategy, i would say that in mid pos, A9o (19th percentile?) is a trouble hand. If anyone raises you have to fold, and personally with a call and an A high flop is awful-get it in and hope?
So you had it good with tp tk & action.
Your position is very much like an average SNG though. 5 handed, 20-10BB per player/effective stack maybe 10-15BB relative to you. the time to chip up has past(?) and any PFR should be met with push/fold??
maybe it's good if people play tight late on )
Think we have very opposing views on how we should play after the bubble has burst and we playing in the money to hit FT.
If we only played hands we wanted to get it in with, our game would be pretty transparent and every tourney would be a contest of who can cooler people more than they get coolered themselves.
As you say, most people should be shove/folding, but the number of hands they are folding massively outweigh the number of hands they are shoving, so when there's a load of free chips in the middle every hand, keep taking them until someone starts fighting back. Obviously each BB is worth more when stacks are shallow and we wanna be picking them up where we can.
snap call turn shove
yeah I thought about this, guess oppo will shove turn with all worse 9's + bluffs if they donk like this
FWIW -I shoved oppo shows 2 pr 64o gg nn wp sir !
Kinda proves how easy it is to raise pre small and c bet verus these oppo's and mount chips )
This time oppo got lucky meh - o I didn't improve
I give very little credit to these flop donk leads, if he's flopped better than you he's checking back. You have the best hand 90%+ of the time here, I push on the flop, he'll probably call with a draw or weaker made hand.
Edit - just read the replies and saw the result, that's a useful read that goes in my notes for next time, his play isn't optimal, let's you get away from a lot of your opening range
To provide balance are we not ever leading these flops when we hit big as well as when we are drawing?
Let the preflop raiser make a c-bet when you've hit, and when you haven't save the chips and fold. Alot of play in shallow stack MTTs near the end is very standard.