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NL10 overshove otr

percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
edited September 2012 in The Poker Clinic
layerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
LENGALENGSmall blind £0.05£0.05£14.22
SEXIBOIBig blind £0.10£0.15£10.86
 Your hole cards
  • J
  • A
   
percival09Raise £0.40£0.55£9.60
GrafixFold    
nat54Fold    
cactusjacFold    
LENGALENGFold    
SEXIBOICall £0.30£0.85£10.56
Flop
  
  • J
  • 10
  • 4
   
SEXIBOIBet £0.64£1.49£9.92
percival09Call £0.64£2.13£8.96
Turn
  
  • 3
   
SEXIBOIBet £1.60£3.73£8.32
percival09Call £1.60£5.33£7.36
River
  
  • A
   
SEXIBOIAll-in £8.32£13.65£0.00
Readless. 

My thoughts otf are that I'm probably ahead, but don't want to raise out his random J/10x hands so decided to flat to let him either bluff again or valuetown himself. And I guess I wouldn't be 100% comfortable getting 100bb in vs a random w/ tp otf. From what I do remember he seemed ok, not getting out of line

ott he bets strong again but I'm still pretty sure I'm ahead, at this point giving him a range of KQ, AJ, KJ, 10J,poss random Jx hands perhaps 44, 89s.. I flat as I have to with the line I've taken, raising or folding would be bad imo. 

So top 2. he overshoves the river - pretty sure this guy has no info on me. IMO it's likely he has KQ or AJ, perhaps 10J sometimes. 

What's the best line in your opinion what do you do otr as played?
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited September 2012
    put along response but moron forum said I had been logged out. wp you stupid plucks



    anyway

    cliffs


    pre/flop/turn all good.


    river do you think he can hvae Q9/Ak/AQ if not fold, if you think he can call and make a note. wp.
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited September 2012
    I had no indication that he'd do it with any of those hands no, and it's unlikely imo
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited September 2012
    like it so far

    River is a fold imo
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited September 2012
    @beaneh when you feel refreshed and you get over what Sky Poker outrageously did to you regarding being logged out, could you possibly write a nice long post? Or did you include most of it there/you cba? Either is ok ha. 
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  • Curt360x27Curt360x27 Member Posts: 490
    edited September 2012
    Probs a fold on reflection but in game calling and making notes vs random is fine. 
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited September 2012
    Have to call, unless u have reads that oppo donks like this with draws/sets - more like a flopped set imo

    just call make note move on, oppo could easily have flopped 2 pr or just goes with mad A10
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited September 2012
    Ok after talking to a couple of people about the hand my thoughts are this:

    J10 and 44 are possible but unlikely imo. It's possible he could have either but would he really donk bet w/ J10 or 44 in such a dry pot hu? And you'd think he'd slow down w/ 10J otr as I'm never calling with worse, my KK/QQ/JK/JQ are all folding, and usually my AJ/1010/JJ/AA/KQ are all calling. 

    KQ makes sense, as does AJ, imo. A bluff is possible but I had no indication or reads or info really to tell me that a player at nl10 is capable of doing this. 

    Vs his perceived range of 10J, 44, KQ, AJ I have 24% equity. Including Q9, 89 I have 65% equity which shows how close it is. Just dependant on whether I think he's capable of bluffing and as a generalisation at nl10 I don't think he is, well, nothing this big anyway. 

    I remember thinking on the turn that I'm calling most bets on most river cards, but then that came and he shoved, my hand actually improved, and I................ find out in 2 minutes. gotta find the stupid hh again.

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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited September 2012
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    LENGALENGSmall blind £0.05£0.05£14.22
    SEXIBOIBig blind £0.10£0.15£10.86
     Your hole cards
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="spade">J
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif'); background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="diamond">A
    		   
    percival09Raise £0.40£0.55£9.60
    GrafixFold    
    nat54Fold    
    https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/hhdealer.gif'); background-color: transparent; background-position: 100% 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="dealer">cactusjacFold    
    LENGALENGFold    
    SEXIBOICall £0.30£0.85£10.56
    Flop
      
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif'); display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="heart">J
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="spade">10
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif'); display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="diamond">4
    		   
    SEXIBOIBet £0.64£1.49£9.92
    percival09Call £0.64£2.13£8.96
    Turn
      
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/club.gif'); background-color: #ffffff; display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="club">3
    		   
    SEXIBOIBet £1.60£3.73£8.32
    percival09Call £1.60£5.33£7.36
    River
      
    • https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/club.gif'); display: block; border: 1px solid #9bc3e5; width: 15px; text-align: center; font-size: 0.9em; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat" class="club">A
    		   
    SEXIBOI All-in £8.32£13.65£0.00
    percival09Fold    
    SEXIBOI Muck    
    SEXIBOI Win £4.93 £4.93
    SEXIBOI Return £8.32£0.40£13.25
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited September 2012
    good fold IMO.
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  • FabraclassFabraclass Member Posts: 117
    edited September 2012
    I would call river, he can have missed draws, aj or j10, granted he can have a decent amount of hands that beat you. We only need to be winning 40%of the time roughly to make it a profitable call long term.
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