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Cash BRM

MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,436
edited September 2012 in Poker Chat
I've decided that I'm going to play cash and play it properly when it comes to BRM and moving up the levels. I've played 5p/10p before and was comfortable playing there but a couple of coolers/bad beats/bad plays would eat up cash and i'd vow never to play cash again. At the moment, I'm playing 3 tables at 2/4p with a BR of £62, whether this is the correct roll for this limit is neither here nor there as it's what I've got. My question is when would it be correct to move up to 4p/8p interms of big blinds? I've heard that you should have 20 full buyins for the level you are playing, so in this case a minimum of £80 but is that for one table only? Or do I need extra for each table I'm playing? I obviously I will be increasing the number of tables as and when I feel comfortable doing so.

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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited September 2012
    You can use whatever bankroll management you feel comfortable with.

    The lower the amount of buy ins, the higher the likelihood of going bust.

    General rule is 20 buy ins, but I'd probably begin taking shots at 8nl tables when I hit £120ish.

  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,627
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Cash BRM:
    You can use whatever bankroll management you feel comfortable with. The lower the amount of buy ins, the higher the likelihood of going bust. General rule is 20 buy ins, but I'd probably begin taking shots at 8nl tables when I hit £120ish.
    Posted by NColley
    HI,  I don't play cash BUT aspire to so I read a LOT of cash postings.  Could I ask, did you mean to say - HIGHER the amount = HIGHER the likelihood?   If not, could you expand on this?  Or do you mean you are more likely to "gamble" with a lower amount of BI's?

    @Mohican - sorry for hijack. 
  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,436
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Cash BRM:
    In Response to Re: Cash BRM : HI,  I don't play cash BUT aspire to so I read a LOT of cash postings.  Could I ask, did you mean to say - HIGHER the amount = HIGHER the likelihood?   If not, could you expand on this?  Or do you mean you are more likely to "gamble" with a lower amount of BI's?
    Posted by Glenelg
    He means if you're only playing with a 5x full buy in roll, you're more likely to go bust than someone with a 20x full buy in roll due to variance eating up your roll on a downswing.A larger roll can absorb a downswing, a smaller one can't. Kinda the whole essence of BRM.
  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,627
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Cash BRM:
    In Response to Re: Cash BRM : He means if you're only playing with a 5x full buy in roll, you're more likely to go bust than someone with a 20x full buy in roll due to variance eating up your roll on a downswing.A larger roll can absorb a downswing, a smaller one can't. Kinda the whole essence of BRM.
    Posted by Mohican
    Ah right OK! I read it quickly & wrong.  I was thinking of one game . i.e. if you didn't buy-in for the full amount.
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited September 2012
    Well Carl, I'm a complete nit as I'm sure others will tell you...

    I think what you've got now is fine to be playing 4NL and as you say,it's what you've got in there, so it'll have to do (I'm sure it'll be fine).

    I wouldn't start playing 8NL until you got to the 20BI mark (£160) to be honest. I'm being tighter than that but I'm a massive nit, and I'm 6tabling. Sure you could go and play 8NL now and may do fine, but a handful of coolers and you could be crushed. In the early days of me starting my cash again I got mass-coolered when I first started and was down about £25 at one point, which if I'd have chosen to play 8NL instead would have been £50, which I know for a fact would have 100% sent me on tilt with how small my BR was.

    Kinda depends on how tilt-proof you are, and how good you are, but if you wanna be safe, and give yourself enough to be able to learn as you go (I assume you aint just gonna jump in and start crushing) then, it's better IMO to do it right, and do it first time, than to be more gambly and possibly have to reload.
  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,436
    edited September 2012
    tx people. I want to get this BRM right from the beginning so that if and when I do move up the levels, it's because I'm rolled for it. I know it's gonna be a grind, especially at NL4 to reach the correct levels but if I get it right from the start, I wont make problems for myself later on.
  • devonfish5devonfish5 Member Posts: 4,291
    edited September 2012
    hi Mohican,
    BRM is deffo a personal thing.

    20 full buy-ins for 4p/8p is £160

    the way i look at it is this;
    if u move up when you reach the £160 mark,and if say playing 1 table you lose just 2 buy-ins which is £16
    that is 10% of your b/roll
    if u are playing 2 tables and lose another 2 buy-ins there that's £32
    that is 20% of your b/roll
    if u can go to bed and not give it a seconds,ok 5 minutes then,thought then you are playing at a level with the correct b/roll for you.
    if however it does effect you,which i would suspect in this case it might,then it tells you,or should tell you that you need a bigger roll for that level.

    as for myself ,slightly different i know, because i'm playing DYM's,but i like 100 buy-ins  minimum b4 i move up levels,
    so each game i lose is only 1% of my b/roll.

    this may not be applicable here for you i know,but any less than £400 for nl8 (50 buy-ins) would be my absolute minimum
    as even with that amount,every £8 you lose is still 2% of your roll.

    gl anyway,
    (* *)
       ^
    dev
  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited September 2012
    20 buyins is OK. I prefer 30 - 40 though. It depends on how many tables you're doing. If it's 3 like you say and you want to take it serious I think you should be more around 30. 

    Don't be afraid to drop back down levels once you reach higher games. Also increase your buyins when you start playing more tables. If you find your crushing 4nl and it's no challenge then try 1 or 2 8nl tables at the same time, as turning £60 into £240 at 4nl can take a long time.
  • walesboywalesboy Member Posts: 993
    edited September 2012
    I must admit I'm a bit of a BR nit, but I'd have 100BI's on nl4 (so 50BIs at nl8) before I'd consider moving up but only when I play regularly aswell as for  me playing regularly stops the silly and tilt plays.
    there's no rush though and I am a good example of this!! :)))
    nl4 can be a bit swingy if you are not careful. sometimes you get days when it just isn't working

    good luck
  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,436
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Cash BRM:
    20 buyins is OK. I prefer 30 - 40 though. It depends on how many tables you're doing. If it's 3 like you say and you want to take it serious I think you should be more around 30.  Don't be afraid to drop back down levels once you reach higher games. Also increase your buyins when you start playing more tables. If you find your crushing 4nl and it's no challenge then try 1 or 2 8nl tables at the same time, as turning £60 into £240 at 4nl can take a long time.
    Posted by FlashFlush
    Tx FF, will get my br to over 30 before I consider moving up. Going to take this seriously as my tourney play time is severly restricted due to shift work and family, whereas I can play cash almost everyday. I'm even recording profit/loss,total hands played and other stats just so I can track my performance.
  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,436
    edited September 2012
    What figures do players judge their sucess with? bb/100, bb/hr or ROI? What should i be looking to attain to  class myself as a successful cash player?
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Cash BRM:
    What figures do players judge their sucess with? bb/100, bb/hr or ROI? What should i be looking to attain to  class myself as a successful cash player?
    Posted by Mohican
     
    In cash, generally BB/100 or BB/hour is standard. (you usually get about 80 hands per hour)

    Obviously you won't be able to get an accurate picture until you've played quite alot of hands, but they generally say if you're winning 10BB/100 then you're crushing it. So that's 40p per hour, say you play 3 tables, £1.20 per hour.

    However, at 4NL I think much higher win-rates are acheivable than ya average cash game. I know someone who had a win-rate over a long period at this level of 16-17BB/100 which is pretty sick.
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