Is this a call or fold?

davelufc

Oppo has been playing quite loose, still early on in the tourney, do i need to get involved here?

I`m probably racing , spewy to call or tight to fold?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
thefootb29	Small blind		25.00	25.00	2080.00
lawr	Big blind		50.00	75.00	2480.00
	Your hole cards	K A
wee_pero	Raise		250.00	325.00	4210.00
davelufc	Raise		850.00	1175.00	5475.00
DIDUDANNY	Fold
Cherrybeex	Fold
thefootb29	Fold
lawr	Fold
wee_pero	All-in		4210.00	5385.00	0.00
davelufc ??

percival09

call

spurs_13

This will probaly be a split decision as imo AK early on can be a hand that gets us into loads of trouble. Late on it becomes a massive hand and there is much more of an easy decision to call. I would tend to play the player here more than my hand and would probably not c/r that amount considering his 5x from ep with the hope of trapping down the streets.

Mind you I am still very early on in my poker journey so would also be interested in everyones thoughts

robbie1992

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Oppo has been playing quite loose, still early on in the tourney, do i need to get involved here? I`m probably racing , spewy to call or tight to fold? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance thefootb29 Small blind   25.00 25.00 2080.00 lawr Big blind   50.00 75.00 2480.00   Your hole cards K A       wee_pero Raise   250.00 325.00 4210.00 davelufc Raise   850.00 1175.00 5475.00 DIDUDANNY Fold         Cherrybeex Fold         thefootb29 Fold         lawr Fold         wee_pero All-in   4210.00 5385.00 0.00 davelufc ??
Posted by davelufc

Easy fold in my opinion, its unlikely early on villian is doing this with aq/aj/kq, so your nearly always going to be against a pair in which you are an underdog.  In tournament play while the blinds are still low theres no need to get involved here, theres much better spots to get your money in

profman15

 Hi sir

Fold IMo. Looking at other stacks, you seem well-placed and could be dominated. Tend to steer clear of big stacks on tables....bully the tiddlers...... If you had a smaller stack i'd say go for it...don't hink there's a need here nut it's your money as you'll probably be 46:54 here. Mind you may have had some reads of this player from showdowns and have some idea of his strategy/ aggression etc.

DOHHHHHHH

Took me literally years to learn that you shouldn't 3b AK if you're planning to fold to a 4bet. 

Wish I'd understood that earlier, so it's worth repeating on all these clinic threads where it's relevant. 

It's basics, but it's only easy if you know it.

So yeh as played, snap call. If you don't want to go all in, don't 3bet in the first place.

yb

3bet smaller, don't fold now

wartic

Got to think he holds a medium to high pair and he has shown he's happy to get his money in. If he was that loose early on just call his initial raise and wait for flop. If you hit and he bets after flop then you can get your money in. 

yb

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Got to think he holds a medium to high pair and he has shown he's happy to get his money in. If he was that loose early on just call his initial raise and wait for flop. If you hit and he bets after flop then you can get your money in. 
Posted by wartic

if he's loose and aggro why wouldn't you just want to get stacks in pre when you could easily be dominating him, rather than calling and having to fold the flop most of the time?

wartic

Have said the same as dohhhh don't 3b ak on a raise

profman15

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Took me literally years to learn that you shouldn't 3b AK if you're planning to fold to a 4bet.  Wish I'd understood that earlier, so it's worth repeating on all these clinic threads where it's relevant.  It's basics, but it's only easy if you know it. So yeh as played, snap call. If you don't want to go all in, don't 3bet in the first place.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

 
A very good point...cheers Dohhhh...i'll write that down....
So are you saying call and see a flop then?

wartic

Personally yes, im have fish half nit lol

DOHHHHHHH

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In Response to Re: Is this a call or fold? :   A very good point...cheers Dohhhh...i'll write that down.... So are you saying call and see a flop then?
Posted by profman15

Either

a) call and see a flop....

or....

b) Raise the initial raise, and be prepared to put all your stack in.

Both are better options than raising then folding to a 4bet or a shove from the initial opener. (if another player behind 4bets or shoves, then we are allowed to fold)

I would prefer option b, like Dave, and now be snap calling the all in.

Generally I'd advise going with option B most of the time. With reads, option A can be best though. 

Option c, of raising then folding to a 4bet, is very very bad, and much worse than A and B!

(hope I haven't confused you more lol)

davelufc

Thanks all for the replies, Interesting that there was not one answer.

Thats why poker is such a good game, no one got the same opinion on a certain hand

on a Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
thefootb29	Small blind		25.00	25.00	2080.00
lawr	Big blind		50.00	75.00	2480.00
	Your hole cards	K A
wee_pero	Raise		250.00	325.00	4210.00
davelufc	Raise		850.00	1175.00	5475.00
DIDUDANNY	Fold
Cherrybeex	Fold
thefootb29	Fold
lawr	Fold
wee_pero	All-in		4210.00	5385.00	0.00
davelufc	All-in		5475.00	10860.00	0.00
davelufc	Unmatched bet		1865.00	8995.00	1865.00
wee_pero	Show	5 5
davelufc	Show	K A
Flop
		6 4 9
Turn
		J
River
		10
wee_pero	Win	Pair of 5s	8995.00		8995.00

profman15

Hi Dave

46:54 equity means you're up against an underpair just like you were.

Lambert180

The thing to remember here, while you are flipping as an underdog, because you've already put 850 in, you are calling 3360 to win 5385 which is nice pot odds when you're virtually 50/50 to win

RogueCell

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Hi Dave 46:54 equity means you're up against an underpair just like you were.
Posted by profman15

Errrrr, please turn that statement around so that it actually makes sense (i.e.) you're up against an underpair with 46:52 equity.

You must be a retired Prof.

BorinLoner

As others have said, 3-bet-folding AK in these situations is probably not going to be profitable long-term.

The one point I'd like to emphasise is that when someone makes it 5x UTG, you're unlikely to see AA or KK very often. That means that the pot odds of 3360 to win 5385 (1.6:1) are irresistable.

profman15

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In Response to Re: Is this a call or fold? : Errrrr, please turn that statement around so that it actually makes sense (i.e.) you're up against an underpair with 46:52 equity. You must be a retired Prof.
Posted by RogueCell

Hi Rogue
Grandad here.
Why turn what around? I don't understand what your saying here. He will be the underdog v an underpair...with about 46:54 equity. He asked why no one had given the hand. I was saying i had by stating this equityand so suggesting the underpair.
Ps Im not going to tell you abut your "46:52"(must add up to 100, sweet) ...grandads don't do that!. Hope your birthday went well...cheers