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Annoying short stacks!!!

kidwiz10kidwiz10 Member Posts: 569
edited September 2012 in Poker Chat
Okai this is a bit of a rant so be nice on the replies!

Sky you need to introduce tables where the game is NL50 make the max buy in equal to the minumum buy in.

Nothing worse than having 4 players sat with £10 each it ruins the whole structure of the the game big time

Plus the worse part that keeps happening on my tables is when they triple up they leave straight away!!! its extremely annoying so yea sky this be big help doin this

Rant over thankyou:)
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  • JockBMWJockBMW Member Posts: 2,653
    edited September 2012
    and ....  breathe..   ;o)
  • FCHDFCHD Member Posts: 3,178
    edited September 2012
    Why should other players have to play to your tune?

    It's their money, if they want to play with short stacks, that's their prerogative.
  • profman15profman15 Member Posts: 1,808
    edited September 2012
    Hi K

     I actualy understand your reasons completely and maybe Sky should introduce some table like this for you and like-minded individuals. It does alter the dynamic of the cas game, i suspect. However £10 players are playing within the rules and are entitled to use any strategy they wish as well. It may suit them.
    So Sky , variety IS the spice of life...try it and see how it goes.
    Mind, i don't play cah so you won't be seeing me fella.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,447
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Annoying short stacks!!!:
    Why should other players have to play to your tune? It's their money, if they want to play with short stacks, that's their prerogative.
    Posted by FCHD
    Pretty much this, really.

    I'm not sure it would be right to change the rules of poker, which have existed forever, or almost, because something annoys a player.

    I do get the OP's point, of course, but it's get-round-able with a little thought.
     
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited September 2012
    You can't scare pocket aces off with Q high when everyoenes playing a tenner! :'(   ;)

    fwiw I disagree o.p....

    I like short stacks, they are almost always weaker players. They don't always triple up off you (me) sometimes they get money off tough players which in turn makes it easier for us to get off them.

    They don't always leave either but if they do they'll always come back and sit somewhere else....

    dw bout it!
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,447
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Annoying short stacks!!!:
    Hi K  I actualy understand your reasons completely and maybe Sky should introduce some table like this for you and like-minded individuals. It does alter the dynamic of the cas game, i suspect. However £10 players are playing within the rules and are entitled to use any strategy they wish as well. It may suit them. So Sky , variety IS the spice of life...try it and see how it goes. Mind, i don't play cah so you won't be seeing me fella.
    Posted by profman15
    That would be easy, but those who "short" might not be too pleased.

    The Site has to try & cater for every taste & bankroll, (good luck with that!) it cannot simply accede to a complaint on the basis that something annoys someone.
  • JockBMWJockBMW Member Posts: 2,653
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Annoying short stacks!!!:
    In Response to Re: Annoying short stacks!!! : That would be easy, but those who "short" might not be too pleased. The Site has to try & cater for every taste & bankroll, (good luck with that!) it cannot simply accede to a complaint on the basis that something annoys someone.
    Posted by Tikay10

    Exactly, otherwise you'd never have to work with Richard again ;o)

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,447
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Annoying short stacks!!!:
    You can't scare pocket aces off with Q high when everyoenes playing a tenner! :'(   ;) fwiw I disagree o.p.... I like short stacks, they are almost always weaker players. They don't always triple up off you (me) sometimes they get money off tough players which in turn makes it easier for us to get off them. They don't always leave either but if they do they'll always come back and sit somewhere else.... dw bout it!
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    The very essence of poker, surely, is that there are always different situation that players have to grapple with, & find ways to win.

    Position, stack size, table dynamic, good & bad players, so many variables to contend with, & they are all part of a giant puzzle. The players who recognize this, & give thought to it, will more likely succeed. Or lose less. ;)

    The path to success is rarely straight, or flat. We just have to find a way to navigate the twists & turns better than the others.   
     
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,447
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Annoying short stacks!!!:
    In Response to Re: Annoying short stacks!!! : Exactly, otherwise you'd never have to work with Richard again ;o)
    Posted by JockBMW
    This is also true.

    Tonight, instead, I have to handle the periodically pedantic Mr J Hartigan.

    Frying pan & fire spring to mind.
     
  • kidwiz10kidwiz10 Member Posts: 569
    edited September 2012
    Thx for your replies guys:)

    Yea they can be easier when they got short stacks , but my point is you have tables where there is 4 players all sat with the minimim ie £10 , and then you have a waiting list as long as my arm with players ino will buy in for full.

    And before anyone sais id rather play a good player sat with money worth winning rather than sumone whos gunna keep buying in for the minimum

    Yea there are players who use short stacking as a strategy i understand this i wasnt trying to mean no offence all i was stating was that it would be good if there was tables where you were all sat with the same amount eg

  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,447
    edited September 2012

    Gotcha kidwiz.

    It is a great thing to debate, the crux of it is that we all see things differently, & glory be for that.

    Ultimately, though, we all face the same challenges. The winner is the one who works the answer out first. If he gets it right.....  

     
  • profman15profman15 Member Posts: 1,808
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Annoying short stacks!!!:
    In Response to Re: Annoying short stacks!!! : That would be easy, but those who "short" might not be too pleased. The Site has to try & cater for every taste & bankroll, (good luck with that!) it cannot simply accede to a complaint on the basis that something annoys someone.
    Posted by Tikay10
     Fair point Tikay. As a non cash player it's about working out how to win withinthe set up provided and as Dohhhh said there are advantages to playing short stacks...Maybe its a matter of increasing those edges. I wasn't saying all tables should be like that just a smattering called ' EXCL MAX BI' (SOUNDS COOL EH?). It may appeal to the grinders and bring in more revenue......

  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited September 2012
    Tbh if I open a table w/ more than 3 short stacks I just sit out and join a new table/start a new table
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,447
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Annoying short stacks!!!:
    In Response to Re: Annoying short stacks!!! :  Fair point Tikay. As a non cash player it's about working out how to win withinthe set up provided and as Dohhhh said there are advantages to playing short stacks...Maybe its a matter of increasing those edges. I wasn't saying all tables should be like that just a smattering called ' EXCL MAX BI' (SOUNDS COOL EH?). It may appeal to the grinders and bring in more revenue......
    Posted by profman15
    ....and "fair point" back at you, Proffy.

    We do have some Cash Tables with varying "sit-downs" already I believe.
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,447
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Annoying short stacks!!!:
    Tbh if I open a table w/ more than 3 short stacks I just sit out and join a new table/start a new table
    Posted by percival09
    ...and in doing so, qualify for EARLY-BIRD.....;)

    https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby/poker-promotions/early-bird

    And there we have it. A problem arises, and players find a way round it, somehow, somewhere, & in this case, earn extra C4P as a Bonus, MBN.
     
     
  • pr1nnyraidpr1nnyraid Member Posts: 495
    edited September 2012
    I thought sky did have 50bb minimum tables? 

    In fairness to OP there is a very simple formula of playing a 20bb stack which is inexploitable. Just a basis of hand rankings that they will either 3x and shove any flop / or reship over your opens. 

    BUT i'm sure the players short stacking on sky arent doing this strategy, also not sure if it is as profitable 6 handed as it is 9 handed. It also requires a certain number of fuller stacks to work.



     
  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited September 2012
    Sit at, or join a deepstack table or TV table. The min buyins on those are higher...

    FWIW I'm the opposite, I look for the short stackers, like JJ said, they are 90% of the time weaker than the full buyin players.
  • Donut64Donut64 Member Posts: 2,666
    edited September 2012
    I only play 2p/4p level but I dont mind short stacks they tend to push with any Ace or any pair and calling with A10 against them you are very rarely in bad shape and if you are or get outdrawn you lose only a little of your stack. Off course this is dependent on where you are sitting and who is behind you still to act. Plus there is always a chance you may outdraw them, outdraws work both ways.
  • lyonsie81lyonsie81 Member Posts: 33
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Annoying short stacks!!!:
    I only play 2p/4p level but I dont mind short stacks they tend to push with any Ace or any pair and calling with A10 against them you are very rarely in bad shape and if you are or get outdrawn you lose only a little of your stack. Off course this is dependent on where you are sitting and who is behind you still to act. Plus there is always a chance you may outdraw them, outdraws work both ways.
    Posted by Donut64
    Agree totally here. I play 2p/4p myself and i always look for tables with short stacks, keep my range very tight and then sit back and smile when they shove on my big blind with k5 off against my ak suited. Fair enough its annoying when you get outdrawn but you'll nearly always be getting your money in good against these players which is what we should all want.
  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: Annoying short stacks!!!:
    Tbh if I open a table w/ more than 3 short stacks I just sit out and join a new table/start a new table
    Posted by percival09
    lol why? i'd rather this than a reg fest any day!

    as has been said it's quite easy to be pretty much unexploitable against them, and it's pretty rare to find a shortstacker on sky that is playing optimally.
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