pp, one oppo, one overcard on flop

luvBWFC

These situations come up quite frequently for me and I think I am playing them badly. What is the best line to take

e.g.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
luvBWFC	Small blind		400.00	400.00	15565.00
BB	Big blind		800.00	1200.00	9686.00
	Your hole cards	10 10
UTG	Fold
S1	Fold
S2	Fold
luvBWFC	Raise		2000.00	3200.00	13565.00
BB	Call		1600.00	4800.00	8086.00
Flop
		Q 2 3

luvBWFC

in this case is it just a shove pre because of blinds and stack sizes?

BorinLoner

I wouldn't make a 3x raise pre-flop here. I'd much rather make it a min-raise to give my opponent a better chance to call and the illusion of having some fold equity if he shoves. By making it 3x, it's less likely that he either calls or shoves. Alternatively, if we'd be shoving here with a wide range and he's aware of that, then shove.

Once you get to the flop, I don't think you should shove. You might be called by 99 or worse but those probably 3-bet shove pre-flop, so you're likely to only be called by better than your TT. I'd much prefer betting small with the intention of calling a shove. Your opponent might shove this flop with air unless your image is that of a really tight player. Most of the time he'll fold and some of the time he'll have the Queen... I don't think you can ever fold, though, with the pot odds you'll be getting.

You could check the flop. That might be best, come to think of it. If he bets the flop, you can't fold. If he checks the flop, you can bet most turns.

luvBWFC

1 went 2.5 times rather than 3 bet same again on flop, oppo goes all in and i call in to JQ

luvBWFC	Bet		2400.00	7200.00	11165.00
BB	All-in		8086.00	15286.00	0.00
luvBWFC	Call		5686.00	20972.00	5479.00
luvBWFC	Show	10 10
BB	Show	Q J
Turn
		K
River
		5
BB	Win	Pair of Queens	20972.00

DOHHHHHHH

I'd probably open shove pre because on here they're more likely to call light than re-shove light.

I don't think they even re-shove anywhere close to a normal range nvm a wider than usual one, they're more likely to call and see a flop so I'm all for shoving.

JQ is a great example of the above ^

Also OP if you're guna post result after 1 reply you might as well put it in OP! Give us a chance!

BorinLoner

I definitely prefer shoving to 3x'ing here.

I do think it's more likely that we get a wide shove if we min-raise than a wide call if we shove. For 13BB, I don't think they'll be calling a shove with a random Kx or QJ, QT, JT even perhaps some low Ax hands. I think they shove with all those hands over a min-raise from the small blind, though. As long as it's not out of character for us. Generally I think players are more likely to 3-bet those than flat a min-raise with this stack... unless we know they're not too experienced.


LuvBWFC I just want to pick you up on this:

"1 went 2.5 times rather than 3 bet same again on flop, oppo goes all in and i call in to JQ"

To clear up some terminology for you: A 3-bet is the third bet. So pre-flop the big blind is the first bet, the opening raise is a 2-bet (though it's never called that) and the re-raise is a 3-bet. You just count the bets, essentially. On the flop there would be a bet (1-bet), a raise (2-bet) and then a 3-bet.
There was no 3-bet on this flop.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "2.5 times" bit because your flop bet was 3BB.

luvBWFC

I wish the history would show the actual total bet size not the increment when you are in the blinds!

grantorino

prob just shove pre

check flop