was this really wreckless

samboram45

yh i won the hand but was it a good or bad spot to move in??

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
nutsy11	Small blind		50.00	50.00	14980.00
schnitzel	Big blind		100.00	150.00	3565.00
	Your hole cards	A 8
gooligan	Call		100.00	250.00	17229.00
miike75	Call		100.00	350.00	14950.00
samboram45	Raise		500.00	850.00	3018.50
FATJIM	Fold
nutsy11	Fold
schnitzel	Fold
gooligan	Call		400.00	1250.00	16829.00
miike75	Call		400.00	1650.00	14550.00
Flop
		7 6 10
gooligan	Check
miike75	Check
samboram45	Bet		825.00	2475.00	2193.50
gooligan	Fold
miike75	Call		825.00	3300.00	13725.00
Turn
		3
miike75	Check
samboram45	All-in		2193.50	5493.50	0.00
miike75	Call		2193.50	7687.00	11531.50
miike75	Show	Q 5
samboram45	Show	A 8
River
		10
samboram45	Win	Pair of 10s	7687.00		7687.00

grantorino

check back flop imo

prob check back turn too

AMYBR

Just horrible poker imo.

Yeah really wreckless.  I dont mind the line post flop so much, just bet sizings and your stack in relation to oppos.

samboram45

thnks guys

profman15

Hi S

Yes it's rash....very. Did u think u we're ahead as ace? If not then you had 7 outs to improve so you shouldn't be expecting it and opponents big stack will follow you with any chance of catching. He had flush draw so wasn't going to be blown off pot especially 1/2 pots bets. Never mind we've all had someone winning a lucky pot...it was ur turn here!

samboram45

In Response to Re: was this really wreckless:

Hi S Yes it's rash....very. Did u think u we're ahead as ace? If not then you had 7 outs to improve so you shouldn't be expecting it and opponents big stack will follow you with any chance of catching. He had flush draw so wasn't going to be blown off pot especially 1/2 pots bets. Never mind we've all had someone winning a lucky pot...it was ur turn here!
Posted by profman15

hello prof  , yes was terrible play , tbh i wasnt really thinkin, jus clicking  buttonds and nt concentrating , anyway onwardds and upwards

BorinLoner

I'd make the pre-flop raise a bit smaller. When really big stacks limp into a pot, they're unlikely to fold to any raise short of one that obviously commits you. If you make it 1000 here, that might get two folds but you don't want to do that. I'd go to 400, if I were to raise.

Personally, I don't raise pre-flop unless I've seen these two check-fold on alot of flops and if I don't think they're ever limping with AQ, AJ, AT, A9 or 88+. I want to know that if I hit top-pair, I'm likely to be good. Essentially when you make your raise, you know it's likely that you're going to be playing the flop three-handed.

If you don't have those reads, then I think you can just limp behind or even play it really tight and just fold.

The flop is really bad for your raising range and really good for their limp-calling ranges. People raise with hands like two high cards and big pocket pairs. Your opponents know that so will probably think this flop hasn't improved your hand, which it hasn't. Limp-callers ranges however are likely to contain small pairs and suited connectors. Those hands are very likely to have hit this board. So when you c-bet this board into two players, the only strong hands you're really representing are big pairs. However, players don't limp-call only to then fold on boards where they've hit a draw or top-pair and on this board it's very likely that one of your two opponents has something. Therefore you probably shouldn't c-bet as you probably won't get them to fold.

When you get to the turn and it's checked to you, with 3300 in the pot and only 2200 back, your opponent isn't likely to fold anything that beats you when you shove. Any hand that calls the flop is likely to call a shove on the turn and you only beat the flush draw.

I'd probably check behind on the turn and hope to see a cheap showdown.

samboram45

In Response to Re: was this really wreckless:

I'd make the pre-flop raise a bit smaller. When really big stacks limp into a pot, they're unlikely to fold to any raise short of one that obviously commits you. If you make it 1000 here, that might get two folds but you don't want to do that. I'd go to 400, if I were to raise. Personally, I don't raise pre-flop unless I've seen these two check-fold on alot of flops and if I don't think they're ever limping with AQ, AJ, AT, A9 or 88+. I want to know that if I hit top-pair, I'm likely to be good. Essentially when you make your raise, you know it's likely that you're going to be playing the flop three-handed. If you don't have those reads, then I think you can just limp behind or even play it really tight and just fold. The flop is really bad for your raising range and really good for their limp-calling ranges. People raise with hands like two high cards and big pocket pairs. Your opponents know that so will probably think this flop hasn't improved your hand, which it hasn't. Limp-callers ranges however are likely to contain small pairs and suited connectors. Those hands are very likely to have hit this board. So when you c-bet this board into two players, the only strong hands you're really representing are big pairs. However, players don't limp-call only to then fold on boards where they've hit a draw or top-pair and on this board it's very likely that one of your two opponents has something. Therefore you probably shouldn't c-bet as you probably won't get them to fold. When you get to the turn and it's checked to you, with 3300 in the pot and only 2200 back, your opponent isn't likely to fold anything that beats you when you shove. Any hand that calls the flop is likely to call a shove on the turn and you only beat the flush draw. I'd probably check behind on the turn and hope to see a cheap showdown.
Posted by BorinLoner

Thanks for such in depth reply , after lookin bk at the hand , u are spot on , thnks a vlot