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JJ early in tourney, what now?
davelufc
Member Posts: 1,374
Only level 3, should i just flat the raise pre or am i ok to 3 bet?
Not sure about oppo`s donk bet on the flop!! Still deep so when he re raises is it a fold?
Only reads are oppo has been playing pots from any position.
Not sure about oppo`s donk bet on the flop!! Still deep so when he re raises is it a fold?
Only reads are oppo has been playing pots from any position.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| herriot10 | Small blind | 20.00 | 20.00 | 2815.00 | |
| toldham39 | Big blind | 40.00 | 60.00 | 3585.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
| ||||
| CHICWING | Fold | ||||
| amorth | Raise | 160.00 | 220.00 | 2695.00 | |
| davelufc | Raise | 320.00 | 540.00 | 2635.00 | |
| Browndog06 | Fold | ||||
| herriot10 | Call | 300.00 | 840.00 | 2515.00 | |
| toldham39 | Fold | ||||
| amorth | Call | 160.00 | 1000.00 | 2535.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| herriot10 | Check | ||||
| amorth | Bet | 40.00 | 1040.00 | 2495.00 | |
| davelufc | Raise | 580.00 | 1620.00 | 2055.00 | |
| herriot10 | Fold | ||||
| amorth | Raise | 1080.00 | 2700.00 | 1415.00 | |
| davelufc ?? | |||||
Comments
I raise the donk bet of 4% of pot all day. Fold now
Dont agree to to 3bet (when taking 3bet line) bigger tbh. Only if oppo is bad and we are confident he stations a larger bet oop.
I hate these donk outs, but dont mind doing what you do - disregarding his donk and making the bet you likely would have when checked to.
But when he pops it back we can obv only continue if we have notes/reads he does this with a flush draw or something bad like 10's.
Personally i flat pre here this early and look to play through streets, especially if i have notes/reads oppo min donks streets.
I'd definitely raise the flop, can't be letting him set his own ridic low price with staright draws, FDs etc. Fold to the raise though, min-donk, then he clicks back your raise? Well done to him if this is a bluff lol
If we make the 3-bet to 450 or so, with our stack of 3000 we're effectively saying that we're willing to get the lot in pre-flop. However most players will only 4-bet at this stage of an MTT with AA, KK, QQ and AK. This means that what we really want when we 3-bet JJ is to know that our opponent is going to call that 3-bet with alot of hands worse than our JJ. If he folds those worse hands then we've lost value from our hand by 3-betting. If he 4-bets we've put ourselves in a tricky situation where he's likely to only hold hands which we're flipping against or dominated by.
As it happens, our opponent has made his initial raise to 4x and usually that means they're unlikely to fold to a 3-bet. I'd agree with flat-calling the pre-flop raise and playing in position.
Anyway, the flop lead on this board is an interesting one. I would not raise on this board because in my limited experience with these bets, they usually signify that our opponent has something. On this kind of board and considering the pre-flop raise and call, that something is unlikely to be a bare 6 or 7, so that leaves hands that beat us - Qx, 66, 77 - and draws. If he's got this far with a flush draw he's unlikely to simply fold it to a raise. I doubt very much that he ever leads out on this flop with TT or worse. If the flop was Ten-high, I would almost certainly raise.
So I'd just call the flop bet and reassess on the turn. If it's a club and he bets again then I'm going to fold (though probably not for a min-bet). I agree that we should always look to charge those draws when we have the made hand but on this board the made hands in his range that continue are all likely to be made hands that beat us. So when he continues, we're left in a difficult situation as you were here.
As for that difficult situation, facing the flop raise: I think folding is probably best. To call or raise you have to be in a gambly mood, thinking that he's going to do this on the draw more often than with top-pair or better...
...unless you're about to tell me that I'm completely wrong, you got to showdown and he had 88. lol
IDONKCALLU, I can't imagine that we ever get reliable information when we raise to 300 into a pot of 1000 unless that information is a fold. In that case, the information we gain is that we just made our opponent fold a hand that we were beating, with which he was willing to put more chips into the pot. Besides that, if our opponent has a flush draw and we only raise 260 more, he would be getting better than the direct odds he would need to call, meaning that we're paying him to draw rather than charging him.
I thought if he was chasing, then i`d charge him by shoving.
Ps, this is not a brag or a rubdown, just thought it was interesting.
Still, I think more often he's going to have something rather than air, unless you have reads to say otherwise.