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Not caring about the money?
Pipunch
Member Posts: 516
i played $100 buy in heads up last night.
basically i deposited on a european site which turns out is ridiculously hard to get your money back from. the most viable option was a money transfer but you had to have a minimum of $160 in your account to do it (shoddy, i know)
i only had $80 in my account, and had basically written it off. so i played heads up in the slim hope of doubling up so i could withdraw. (i finished with $192ish)----thin brag over
the players i found at this level were really really poor. i played 3 or 4 different ones and they were so bad it was untrue. calling massive 3-bets and playing fit or fold post flop, betting $1 into $30 pots when they'd missed etc.
my point is this: i made moves on my opponents that i would never have the balls to do. check raise jamming 4-high on a dryish board on the river for the last $25 and getting him to lay down second pair after i'd shown strength throughout, constantly 3-betting and 5-betting wide when i knew they were just playing back at me etc.
does anyone think this lack of interest in the money can actually aid you in making the correct decisions?
because the money factor affects everyone.
it's like the guy who turned quad 8's in the WSOP this year and layed it down due to his opponent being 'on a straight flush'. this guy said the $1m buy in was nothing to do with his decision. nonsense. in a $10 BI cash game he snaps it off all day long.
so what are your thoughts?
basically i deposited on a european site which turns out is ridiculously hard to get your money back from. the most viable option was a money transfer but you had to have a minimum of $160 in your account to do it (shoddy, i know)
i only had $80 in my account, and had basically written it off. so i played heads up in the slim hope of doubling up so i could withdraw. (i finished with $192ish)----thin brag over
the players i found at this level were really really poor. i played 3 or 4 different ones and they were so bad it was untrue. calling massive 3-bets and playing fit or fold post flop, betting $1 into $30 pots when they'd missed etc.
my point is this: i made moves on my opponents that i would never have the balls to do. check raise jamming 4-high on a dryish board on the river for the last $25 and getting him to lay down second pair after i'd shown strength throughout, constantly 3-betting and 5-betting wide when i knew they were just playing back at me etc.
does anyone think this lack of interest in the money can actually aid you in making the correct decisions?
because the money factor affects everyone.
it's like the guy who turned quad 8's in the WSOP this year and layed it down due to his opponent being 'on a straight flush'. this guy said the $1m buy in was nothing to do with his decision. nonsense. in a $10 BI cash game he snaps it off all day long.
so what are your thoughts?
Comments
There's no doubt in my mind that I (and probably most players) play my best game when I have no fear of losing.
Good BRM practices work so well because they have exactly the same effect; you're never playing with scared money.
but do you think the likes of Isildur/Ivey etc who say the money means nothing to them are where they are because of that blatant disregard?
but mayb that's why I don't care about losing and why I swong !
SO MUCH
or maybe I am just bad )
don't think you should be afriad to get things wrong - sometimes )
Since following my team mate garyQQQ progress in his challenge inspired me to sort out my BRM problems which im glad to say are going in the correct direction...
I am playing roughly 70 or 80 buyin's for my level which is £11 mtts and im only stuck £1000 now..
Having a good bankroll behind me has really improved my decsion making hence results have improved alot over the last 6 months...
so you're doing really well, then you lose a BI, then another BI, then another 3, then you start to question your decisions because it's affected your progress with regards to building a roll. it's like quadrupling up in a cash game, but there is also someone else sitting with a big stack, you don't really want to lose what you've built up, type of thing
it's not being scared to lose the actual money, more like not wanting to feel like you've taken a little step backwards
my biggest leak is withdrawing all the time to find the juiciest games, but never keeping the roll in one place.
i need to really keep small rolls on all the places i play and just try to build each one up. my £15 C4P needs using so i suppose i'll be back on Sky soon ha.
with regards to your roll, you obviously just have a set roll and then cream off the profits for living expenses and stuff? or are you still building with a view to playing higher and higher limits?
i think it would be really inspirational for us micro grinders to have a thread where the higher stakes players tell us how much they started off with, how quickly they built/moved up levels, when did they finally realise they could quit work and do it full time, current amount of BI's for levels they play, biggest wins, biggest losses etc etc
but i don't think many would be so forthcoming with the 'background story'!
I think a massive factor is people's attitude to risk. Really you need to be completely risk neutral in poker, being risk loving will cause you to make too many speculative calls and be too eager to get it in, even if it's not all the time, the edge at poker is pretty small really in the grand scheme of things so people will rarely be able to make up for regularly playing hands hands pre-flop they just shouldn't.
Likewise, as the edges are pretty small, you can't really avoid to be trying to risk-averse to reduce the variance cos you're losing loads of value. It's like how people say they'd rather play against a bunch of good solid players than people at 4NL, that's because they can't handle the times you will sometimes make big losses when people call you down with junk.