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Good Fold? 50NL Mastercash

bearlytherbearlyther Member Posts: 1,757
edited October 2012 in The Poker Clinic


PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancesalmonishSmall blind £0.25£0.25£24.25beanehBig blind £0.50£0.75£115.48 Your hole cardsQQ   IcBear25Raise £1.50£2.25£71.32Die_hardFold    ..................Raise £5.00£7.25£45.00bearlytherCall £5.00£12.25£164.82salmonishFold    beanehCall £4.50£16.75£110.98IcBear25Call £3.50£20.25£67.82Flop  8J5   beanehCheck    IcBear25Check    ..............Bet £12.00£32.25£33.00bearlytherCall £12.00£44.25£152.82beanehFold    IcBear25Call £12.00£56.25£55.82Turn  8   IcBear25Check    ..................All-in £33.00£89.25£0.00bearlytherFold    IcBear25Fold    ..................Muck    ......................Win £54.45 £54.45......................Return £33.00£1.80£87.45
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  • bearlytherbearlyther Member Posts: 1,757
    edited October 2012

    This hand went raise then was 3 bet and i decided to smooth call on the button with QQ.  The origanal 3 bettor made a continuation bet on the flop and 2 of us called on a jack high flop.  The turn brought an 8 and he jammed i folded as i put him on KK or AA as i dont think hes jamming the turn with worse after 2 opponants calling him on the flop and the jam has to get through us both.  I just dont think he could ever ever be bluffing in this spot.
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  • PipunchPipunch Member Posts: 516
    edited October 2012
    he has a perfect shoving stack on the turn and has seen two opponents willing to go with their hands so probably figures one of you may call with a J or an overpair

    i personally would fold too
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited October 2012
    Well, what better turns were you hoping for other then Q?

    Also, I really doubt he ever bets flop 4 way then checks turn, so if your not intenting to get it in then why call flop.
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  • LnarinOOLnarinOO Member Posts: 545
    edited October 2012
    i think the question is how big do think his range is for doing this ?? as we played slow pre , his range is his normal openin hands which could have connected with this board hard, his range is defo alot bigger than AA and KK and in his eyes u cannot have QQ- AA .  his hand stenth (and yours) has stayed same from flop-turn so if u call flop thinking he's 'wde'enough then call turn.. plus u have under repped ur hand sumwhat ,  
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  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited October 2012
    would work better if you took villain's name out.  with name in its a standard fold

    there are few, if any, hands that he shoves into two players in this spot that are worse than QQ. 
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited October 2012
    I fold vs this villain but yh remove names


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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited October 2012
    you could probably fold the flop although it feels super nitty
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited October 2012
    Fold flop or call turn
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  • _ARAZI__ARAZI_ Member Posts: 549
    edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: Good Fold? 50NL Mastercash:
    would work better if you took villain's name out.  with name in its a standard fold there are few, if any, hands that he shoves into two players in this spot that are worse than QQ. 
    Posted by huuuuume


    This
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  • bearlytherbearlyther Member Posts: 1,757
    edited October 2012
    I cant fold qq for 1 bet on that board ever and yes my hand strength has not changed on the turn the 8 is a complete blank but in poker we should be thinking what are opponant could have rather than ive got an overpair to the board and i had to consider that he showed no fear of slowing down on the turn after he got called my 2 people on the flop.  I dont think hes ever taking this line with aj only hand i can beat in his range here i think is ak of clubs which is thinking obtimistically other than that i think he can only have kk or aa.
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: Good Fold? 50NL Mastercash:
    I cant fold qq for 1 bet on that board ever and yes my hand strength has not changed on the turn the 8 is a complete blank but in poker we should be thinking what are opponant could have rather than ive got an overpair to the board and i had to consider that he showed no fear of slowing down on the turn after he got called my 2 people on the flop.  I dont think hes ever taking this line with aj only hand i can beat in his range here i think is ak of clubs which is thinking obtimistically other than that i think he can only have kk or aa.
    Posted by bearlyther
    when 2 people cold call a 3bet their ranges are basically almsot always TT/JJ/QQ. so when he cbets on this board i think QQ is basically never good unless he has AKcc unless you think he is cbetting to try and get someone to fold qq, which i would highly doubt
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  • bearlytherbearlyther Member Posts: 1,757
    edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: Good Fold? 50NL Mastercash:
    In Response to Re: Good Fold? 50NL Mastercash : when 2 people cold call a 3bet their ranges are basically almsot always TT/JJ/QQ. so when he cbets on this board i think QQ is basically never good unless he has AKcc unless you think he is cbetting to try and get someone to fold qq, which i would highly doubt
    Posted by LOL_RAISE

    Yes fair point im not going to be cold calling a 3 bet with aj or something like that so he shouldnt be cbetting light into 3 players
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