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nl20 - trip aces - shove or call & why

rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
edited October 2012 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
haidyboy Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £21.31
x Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £10.96
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • Q
     
Jonno02 Fold        
ronnieg197 Fold        
rancid Raise   £0.60 £0.90 £48.39
KING2600 Fold        
haidyboy Fold        
x Raise   £1.00 £1.90 £9.96
rancid Call   £0.60 £2.50 £47.79
Flop
   
  • 7
  • A
  • A
     
x Check        
rancid Check        
Turn
   
  • 10
     
x Bet   £0.20 £2.70 £9.76
rancid Call   £0.20 £2.90 £47.59
River
   
  • 3
     
x Bet   £2.90 £5.80 £6.86
rancid
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  • waynecwaynec Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    Im never calling if he has FH/better A so be it, I would bet £6.86!
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  • waller02waller02 Member Posts: 9,072
    edited October 2012

    looking at his stack I would put him all in

    ps soz bout the aj />ak....that was my last (tilt induced) hand of a bad session! :)

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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited October 2012
    I'm DEF betting flop! I'm def raising turn.   As played you're losing to, A3, A7, A10, AK, 33, 77, 1010.  My guess is A10 tho? ;-((   Woof.
    Edit - Forgot, Giving his stack, I'd prob get it in.
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  • PipunchPipunch Member Posts: 516
    edited October 2012
    you've got trips and he's ridiculously short stacked. if you're playing AQ, hitting trips against someone with less than a tenner and are hesitant to put the money in then don't bother playing the hand

    overthinking it IMO, just get it in
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  • bolly580bolly580 Member Posts: 603
    edited October 2012
    bet flop, bet turn, shuv river
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 2012
    Lets put it another way -

    3 bet pre, checks flops. min bet turn, bets pot on river - what range/hand has oppo got mmmmmmmmmm

    or do we just say i have trips, lets get em in )

    is shoving better than calling :S

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  • PipunchPipunch Member Posts: 516
    edited October 2012
    why would you call against a short stack where your odds are rubbish cause he has hardly anything behind

    why call? to fold scare cards?

    this hand doesn't even need analysis.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2012
    The turn is the mistake...

    C/back flop is fine, the bits of his 3b range we beat are KK/QQ/JJ. If we bet we can probably only get 1 street from these so no need to bet flop.

    Turn we have to raiseeeeeeeeee............ 

    River I expect to see AK most of the time, sometimes TT and sometimes random stuff. 

    Unknown half stackers don't 3bet worse aces than AQ.

    Just call. 
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: nl20 - trip aces - shove or call & why:
    The turn is the mistake... C/back flop is fine, the bits of his 3b range we beat are KK/QQ/JJ. If we bet we can probably only get 1 street from these so no need to bet flop. Turn we have to raiseeeeeeeeee............  River I expect to see AK most of the time, sometimes TT and sometimes random stuff.  Unknown half stackers don't 3bet worse aces than AQ. Just call. 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    I do agree with turn, should raise with all my range tbh - but 12 tabling does have an affect on some decisions )
    But if I raise turn I ain't folding so....
    river is just meh, for me it comes down to if oppo takes this line with AJ - me don't think so

    Is a river shove here only ever spew :S Can oppo v/b KK here mmmm
    a lot depends on what we think about the min bet on turn, what is it telling us ?

    all fun

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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2012

    Even if he has KK he probably folds to a shove.

    Think it's unlikely AJ 3bets pre. 

    Result?
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: nl20 - trip aces - shove or call & why:
    Even if he has KK he probably folds to a shove. Think it's unlikely AJ 3bets pre.  Result?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    But turn I can never raise/fold so pfffffffft - oppo shoves and I am like mmmmm

    anywayz - probbaly agree I can go for turn & river v/b's

    result - that's imaterial surely

    I call , oppo shows AK

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  • waynecwaynec Member Posts: 1,023
    edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: nl20 - trip aces - shove or call & why:
    Lets put it another way - 3 bet pre, checks flops. min bet turn, bets pot on river - what range/hand has oppo got mmmmmmmmmm or do we just say i have trips, lets get em in ) is shoving better than calling :S
    Posted by rancid
    With his stack size and trips you have to shove there is no other option
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