was a great tournement and if i could have held out a bit longer there was no way i would have done a deal ... i wanted the title more than the cash just for bragging rights on friends and family who play on here
One point I would like to make. In a previous post Sky said that there were no "fringe benefits" to this tournament as the new tour doesn't start till 2013 where there will be Grand Final seats up for winners. So why was it under the banner of Sky Poker Tour? Why not wait till 2013 to start the new tour? Would it not have been been better marketing it as a stand alone six seater? I assumed the same as Irene that there were other benefits attached to winning this tournament and the ending was definately an anticlimax and I cannot see how Sky can say there was a winner.
I also thought that it was normal practice that if a deal was done for the cash then they play on for the title. Is it common for a title to be decided this way?
The six max for me was all about seeing players I rail and respect cashing! Many's the time i've railed when Slykllist has been playing the DTD on Mondays Jamie Lou's performance was awesome and for a long time I thought she was going to take it down! Crazyben 23 and Nagroom were others who inspired from the forum. Chopping is sadly part and parcel of the game but I do believe very soon we will have an SPT final table of Sky Poker regulars and that will be unmissable entertainment because it will be played in great spirit but with no quarter given. The problem with the live feed at the beginning and the lack of competition at the end was disappointing but the pokertainment in the middle was fabulous! Please don't forget that!
It is completely normal for "business" to be done at the end of "Live" Poker Tourneys. I would estimate that 80% of Tourneys end that way. Welcome to Live Poker!
It is easy to say "I would never do business", but in most cases, those who say that have not been in a position where they are Heads Up with a £4,000 (or much more) difference between 1st & 2nd. It DOES merit consideration.
The Event IS an "SPT", as is the next one at Luton, in December.
It HAD been planned to run the Tour from September to September, as the 2012/13 SPT.
It was subsequently decided to change it, & make the SPT coincide with Calender years, so it could not start until 2013, & would be branded as "SPT 2013".
So the decision was made to have two Events at the back end of 2012 to bridge the time gap. I mentioned all this on the Forum at the time & explainerd the thinking, & the logic.
It was originally announced as the First Leg of the 2012-13 SPT, but that was subsequently amended, as above. The SPT Page clearly explains the current position, see HERE
Added value, via "Leaderboards" or Grand Final Seats? We have never said there would be a Leaderboard for the SPT 2013. We did it in previous years, but it never aroused much interest, or resulted in extra entrants or buzz, so in effect it was just setting fire to money which could be better spent on other Promotions. I don't believe any decision has been made as to whether SPT 2013 Winners will get Grand Finsal Seats - I'd say it was 50/50 at best, same reasoning.
Happy to field these questions, keep them coming, but Sky Poker cannot change how Live Poker has always worked.
It was a really fantastic weekend, on that we can - I hope - all agree on!
To respond to some of those questions..... It is completely normal for "business" to be done at the end of "Live" Poker Tourneys. I would estimate that 80% of Tourneys end that way. Welcome to Live Poker! Posted by Tikay10
Being relatively new to poker could I ask.... is this a new facet to poker or has it always been like this? Also, I can't think of another "competitive" event where this is done? Maybe it happens but we just don't get to hear about it. I'm not saying it's wrong BTW just curious. Oh to be in the situation.........
In Response to Re: SPT 6-Max Feedback : Being relatively new to poker could I ask.... is this a new facet to poker or has it always been like this? Also, I can't think of another "competitive" event where this is done? Maybe it happens but we just don't get to hear about it. I'm not saying it's wrong BTW just curious. Oh to be in the situation......... Posted by Glenelg
I'm pretty sure that's the way it's always been. Some of it is door behind closed doors etc for the really major events.
I'd like to say I'd never deal and I'm fairly sure when it came to the crunch that I wouldn't unless it was a deal that was considerably in my favour. I think for me, being a small stakes player, the larger events would make me less likely to deal purely because if I was getting £6k for 2nd, then I'm never gonna be disappointed with that so might aswell go for the lot!
But as Tikay said, if you got 6k for 2nd and 10k for 1st, it's easy to see why alot of people would rather just take 8k each.
There has been some debate here with some good points so I thought posting my view.
To start up with, I dont support any of the two views. Well no. I support both. I understand someone saying that is bad for the game as its the last part of the tour and its all about the win etc etc and I understand the other part saying that I get 6k for 2nd and 10k for 1rst. Why shouldnt I get 8k and both of us would be happy?
I played the event and we were playing from 2pm on Saturday until 2am in the morning and on Sunday we started from 2pm again. I am not a live player nor a tournament one so I am not use to this style of grind. Hours Hours and Hours.
If I managed to reach the HU, I would definitely have gone for the deal for 2 reasons. Obv it was an exhausting weekend and I wouldn't like to make any mistake because of that and also the difference of 2k for 2nd and the possible deal is a significant amount of money for me and I wouldn't like to take a flip on the table for 4k, ending up with 6k.
i think deals are fine, but not leaving any more over and essentially letting someone buy a tourney win w/o even having to play HU is pretty bad (didnt watch stream i think this is what happened?)
i think deals are fine, but not leaving any more over and essentially letting someone buy a tourney win w/o even having to play HU is pretty bad (didnt watch stream i think this is what happened?) Posted by LOL_RAISE
Yes, that happened and that why imo the problem was created.
In most deals, the players agree for a certain amount of money for each other and then they leave a smallish amount (related to the payouts) plus the trophy for the winner. This didn't happend in this case so I will consider it as a soft deal. :P
A deal can and often comprises a money split and a split of trophy/added value etc etc
So unless an event has a stipulation that money has to be left to play for, or it has to be played out (even if just one hand all in to decide a winner) then the players can split the money and any other items how they wish, and stop playing....(subject to a TD overseeing it for fairness). The live stream is way down the list of priorities in this process for the players, as it should be
Whether the SPT should have such a stipulation is a reasonable debating point, of course
I don't mind players doing a deal when it's out in the open like this, it's certainly better than players doing a deal behind closed doors imo.
I think the main gripe here is NOT the deal, it's the fact that the trophy was not played to it's conclusion which was dissapointing to some.
I remember a deal being done not too long ago where once both players had agreed a cash figure they also allocated £1,500 of the prizepool to be played for along with the trophy.
Now given the fact that both players were almost evenly stacked and the game could have continued into the early hours, is it not a possibility that once a deal for the cash has been agreed, then both players are given equal stacks to the sum of 100 or 200 BB's for instance and play the game to its conclusion so we have a decisive winner?
I would love to win the Trophy at an SPT, I would also be happy to make a deal for the cash. I certainly wouldn't be happy saying I had won an SPT Event/Trophy when clearly in this instance that was not the case.
Spin it how you will, but the trophy was clearly purchased as part of the deal imo.
I'm happy doing a deal HU for the cash. I'm not happy doing a deal for the trophy.
I hope whatever your views, we can all agree it was a terrific weekend, & the manner of it's ending certainly did not detract from that for me.
For me, the fun was seeing so many friends & regulars going well, having fun, enjoying themselves, & most of all, meeting folks "in real life", because when "virtual" (online) friends meet in real life it is the greatest thing in greatville. Nothing can detract from that.
The whole weekend was sick
Kudos to Rich Prew, too, for his incredible energy & non-stop work.
Weekend all good apart from 1. Lasagne 2. "garlic" bread Posted by SoLack
It was free and served by lovely ladies... what was not good about that?
Also "Greengrass" saw me accidentally throw my dinner over myself, he laughed at me then pulled in his electric scooter for a chat... Luckily i only lost the salad...
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I also thought that it was normal practice that if a deal was done for the cash then they play on for the title. Is it common for a title to be decided this way?
Many's the time i've railed when Slykllist has been playing the DTD on Mondays Jamie Lou's performance was awesome and for a long time I thought she was going to take it down!
Crazyben 23 and Nagroom were others who inspired from the forum.
Chopping is sadly part and parcel of the game but I do believe very soon we will have an SPT final table of Sky Poker regulars and that will be unmissable entertainment because it will be played in great spirit but with no quarter given.
The problem with the live feed at the beginning and the lack of competition at the end was disappointing but the pokertainment in the middle was fabulous! Please don't forget that!
To respond to some of those questions.....
It is completely normal for "business" to be done at the end of "Live" Poker Tourneys. I would estimate that 80% of Tourneys end that way. Welcome to Live Poker!
It is easy to say "I would never do business", but in most cases, those who say that have not been in a position where they are Heads Up with a £4,000 (or much more) difference between 1st & 2nd. It DOES merit consideration.
The Event IS an "SPT", as is the next one at Luton, in December.
It HAD been planned to run the Tour from September to September, as the 2012/13 SPT.
It was subsequently decided to change it, & make the SPT coincide with Calender years, so it could not start until 2013, & would be branded as "SPT 2013".
So the decision was made to have two Events at the back end of 2012 to bridge the time gap. I mentioned all this on the Forum at the time & explainerd the thinking, & the logic.
It was originally announced as the First Leg of the 2012-13 SPT, but that was subsequently amended, as above. The SPT Page clearly explains the current position, see HERE
Added value, via "Leaderboards" or Grand Final Seats? We have never said there would be a Leaderboard for the SPT 2013. We did it in previous years, but it never aroused much interest, or resulted in extra entrants or buzz, so in effect it was just setting fire to money which could be better spent on other Promotions. I don't believe any decision has been made as to whether SPT 2013 Winners will get Grand Finsal Seats - I'd say it was 50/50 at best, same reasoning.
Happy to field these questions, keep them coming, but Sky Poker cannot change how Live Poker has always worked.
It was a really fantastic weekend, on that we can - I hope - all agree on!
I'd like to say I'd never deal and I'm fairly sure when it came to the crunch that I wouldn't unless it was a deal that was considerably in my favour. I think for me, being a small stakes player, the larger events would make me less likely to deal purely because if I was getting £6k for 2nd, then I'm never gonna be disappointed with that so might aswell go for the lot!
But as Tikay said, if you got 6k for 2nd and 10k for 1st, it's easy to see why alot of people would rather just take 8k each.
A deal can and often comprises a money split and a split of trophy/added value etc etc
So unless an event has a stipulation that money has to be left to play for, or it has to be played out (even if just one hand all in to decide a winner) then the players can split the money and any other items how they wish, and stop playing....(subject to a TD overseeing it for fairness). The live stream is way down the list of priorities in this process for the players, as it should be
Whether the SPT should have such a stipulation is a reasonable debating point, of course
I think the main gripe here is NOT the deal, it's the fact that the trophy was not played to it's conclusion which was dissapointing to some.
I remember a deal being done not too long ago where once both players had agreed a cash figure they also allocated £1,500 of the prizepool to be played for along with the trophy.
Now given the fact that both players were almost evenly stacked and the game could have continued into the early hours, is it not a possibility that once a deal for the cash has been agreed, then both players are given equal stacks to the sum of 100 or 200 BB's for instance and play the game to its conclusion so we have a decisive winner?
I would love to win the Trophy at an SPT, I would also be happy to make a deal for the cash. I certainly wouldn't be happy saying I had won an SPT Event/Trophy when clearly in this instance that was not the case.
Spin it how you will, but the trophy was clearly purchased as part of the deal imo.
I'm happy doing a deal HU for the cash. I'm not happy doing a deal for the trophy.
Those guys work so hard and very long hours at SPT Events and deserve a little praise from time to time (Even though they do get payed to do it lol)
So...............Well Done Guys....and Girls of course.
Great debate.
I hope whatever your views, we can all agree it was a terrific weekend, & the manner of it's ending certainly did not detract from that for me.
For me, the fun was seeing so many friends & regulars going well, having fun, enjoying themselves, & most of all, meeting folks "in real life", because when "virtual" (online) friends meet in real life it is the greatest thing in greatville. Nothing can detract from that.
The whole weekend was sick
Kudos to Rich Prew, too, for his incredible energy & non-stop work.
1. Lasagne
2. "garlic" bread