This is a very interesting thread and deserves more discussion. Goonas points were well worth airing and many thanks to Tikay for the informed replies. I love watching the channel as welll as playing but it seems that unless there is a live show on, nobody cares what is being broadcast. re: the same bounty hunter repeat everyday for two weeks!!!! Surely, there must be plenty of old shows worthy of a repeat instead of just recoiling the same thing day in day out! Also, it would be nice to hear from the Sky suits on this subject instead of just leaving it to Tikay to explain everything. Legend that he is (even though he's the enemy), it shouldn't be left up to him alone!
The PNL story? Yeah. I'll do it as a Blog I think.
Sorry I never did it before, but it'd been a bit hectic, the preparations for Total Player have been very time-consuming. And that's not the end of exciting new things happening here. Watch this space. Not for long, either......
This is a very interesting thread and deserves more discussion. Goonas points were well worth airing and many thanks to Tikay for the informed replies. I love watching the channel as welll as playing but it seems that unless there is a live show on, nobody cares what is being broadcast. re: the same bounty hunter repeat everyday for two weeks!!!! Surely, there must be plenty of old shows worthy of a repeat instead of just recoiling the same thing day in day out! Also, it would be nice to hear from the Sky suits on this subject instead of just leaving it to Tikay to explain everything. Legend that he is (even though he's the enemy), it shouldn't be left up to him alone! Posted by DiggerMan
I can't help there Digger, it's up to those on high. I'm just OCD & obsessive about decent manners & good Customer Care. So when a question is asked, even if it's outwith my remit, if nobody else answers it, I feel I have to. There is no excuse for ignoring our Clients.
There is no excuse for being an Orforder, either. What WERE you thinking?
I've not seen this thread so apologies for a lack of response on my behalf.
Tikay and I sit side by side in the office and he knows my views on this topic and has covered them well in his responses.
Ultimately the channel is one of the elements of Sky Poker that allows us to be unique, but it has a remit to inform and educate our customers in a cost efficient way.
We've surveyed several thousand Sky Poker players over the last six months and their responses have been an important factor in determining how we interact with you. For example, the weekend was seen as the most popular time for live viewing of the channel, but not so much the earlier part of the week. We've listened to that and other feedback and redirected some of our budget to other complimentary initiatives that will continue to grow Sky Poker, for example our TV advertising which is proving very successful.
However we've launched new shows like Master Cash and Total Player in the last few weeks and we hope to have a season of the World Poker Tour for you in January or February, so please don't think we're not going to continue to develop the channel, because we have some very interesting plans and everyone at our studio is working really hard for you.
For what it's worth, I'd be happy if you scrapped every free-roll if it led to more live programming or more new pre-records. It is the entertainment of the TV shows that keeps me loyal to SkyPoker - definitely not any free-rolls. With an exceptional roster of presenters now, it seems a shame that they are under-used. I can even put up with the old guy who does the analysis on occasions. :-)
The subject of repeating old (classic?!) editions of the Open (instead of the frequent repeats of the current live shows) was also raised in this thread. When this was previously raised, Des, I think that you said that you would look into it. Is there any possibility of this happening?
Personally I like the idea of re-running some of the older episodes. The only downside to that is that it doesn't allow our current players to see their hands analysed, which is the most valued part of the live shows and which is why they are repeated a lot during the week. Those old shows were also recorded in a different format to our current shows; so for example the current infobar on screen may well encroach onto the playing table of those old shows - and the infobar needs to be on screen 24 / 7 to enable us to meet our licensing terms. I'll try and view an old episode this week to see what's possible.
Many thanks Tikay and especially Sky Des for the replies! This is why Sky Poker is THE best site imo! You take notice of the people and do as much as possible to improve the site. Its great to know that we can talk you and get positive feedback to the suggestions we make! The forthcoming shows sound very exciting and all in all 2010 looks like its going to be a great year! Once again, thanks very much! Oh and Tikay,"There is no excuse for being an Orforder, either. What WERE you thinking?" we all have our crosses to bear!
Personally I like the idea of re-running some of the older episodes. The only downside to that is that it doesn't allow our current players to see their hands analysed, which is the most valued part of the live shows and which is why they are repeated a lot during the week. Those old shows were also recorded in a different format to our current shows; so for example the current infobar on screen may well encroach onto the playing table of those old shows - and the infobar needs to be on screen 24 / 7 to enable us to meet our licensing terms. I'll try and view an old episode this week to see what's possible. Posted by Sky_Des
In Response to Re: Some Criticism and Suggestions for the Channel and Formats : Do I get repeat fees? I think I know the answer to this question... Posted by RICHORFORD
Fees? You mean somebody pays you to work with Sky Poker?!? I need to speak to Mother Hen...
Yes - PNL = "Poker Night Live". It was a Live TV Show which was a sort of low-tech version of Sky Poker, with a wholly different business model. It closed down/went busto in the Spring of 2007. Amongst others, the Presenters there (all front-of-camera were deemed "Presenters") included Kara, Michelle, Matt, Dr Tom, Nick W, James B, & myself. It had a Forum too - "PokerZone" which, funnily enough, led to it's demise. Buit that's another story. Posted by Tikay10
Isn't that a story were still waiting for you to write up Tikay ?? lol. Have to admit i used to love PNL. If i remember rightly PNL used to focus on the same table for quite a few consecutive hands which if i may, ii would like to add to the OP's list of recommendations. I'd like to see the live shows focus on one table a little rather than bounce around so much. I know your trying to give people a fair shout of getting on telly and that "Interesting" hands will be picked out to keep the show & commentary lively but i think we might get something out of seeing early on how a table is playing rather than just FT's which can become a shove fest
In Response to Re: Some Criticism and Suggestions for the Channel and Formats : Isn't that a story were still waiting for you to write up Tikay ?? lol. Have to admit i used to love PNL. If i remember rightly PNL used to focus on the same table for quite a few consecutive hands which if i may, ii would like to add to the OP's list of recommendations. I'd like to see the live shows focus on one table a little rather than bounce around so much. I know your trying to give people a fair shout of getting on telly and that "Interesting" hands will be picked out to keep the show & commentary lively but i think we might get something out of seeing early on how a table is playing rather than just FT's which can become a shove fest Cheers Chris Posted by ACESOVER8s
I agree, Chris, & to be fair, the Producers are now doing thast a lot. In Master Cash, for example, over a period of 2 hours, they only follow 4 Tables.
But it's a Producer's call, so I'll ask one of them to comment. Assuming I remember.
Yes - PNL = "Poker Night Live". It was a Live TV Show which was a sort of low-tech version of Sky Poker, with a wholly different business model. It closed down/went busto in the Spring of 2007. Amongst others, the Presenters there (all front-of-camera were deemed "Presenters") included Kara, Michelle, Matt, Dr Tom, Nick W, James B, & myself. It had a Forum too - "PokerZone" which, funnily enough, led to it's demise. Buit that's another story. Posted by Tikay10
I loved PNL, I wish sky poker would go more like that. We need to see more cash games on sky. I for one was very happy to see the introduction of master cash and I have enjoyed watching it very much.
I don't want to watch a tourney with a load of donkeys shoving and folding for 4 hrs. What's interesting about that. We want various shows that focus on everything, sng's, mtt's and cash. Different nights for different things.
P.S I still have a PNL T-Shirt that i won for an e-mail. it's too small for me now but can't throw it away. Too many good memories.
Keep up the good work Tikay, love the banter between you and Rich
In Response to Re: Some Criticism and Suggestions for the Channel and Formats : Isn't that a story were still waiting for you to write up Tikay ?? lol. Have to admit i used to love PNL. If i remember rightly PNL used to focus on the same table for quite a few consecutive hands which if i may, ii would like to add to the OP's list of recommendations. I'd like to see the live shows focus on one table a little rather than bounce around so much. I know your trying to give people a fair shout of getting on telly and that "Interesting" hands will be picked out to keep the show & commentary lively but i think we might get something out of seeing early on how a table is playing rather than just FT's which can become a shove fest Cheers Chris Posted by ACESOVER8s
Hi,
Just a quick note that you may appreciate Cash Unlimited this week. Monday and Tuesday at 8pm. Both shows are brand new and feature play from Master Cash 10 and Master Cash 14 respectively.
In Response to Re: Some Criticism and Suggestions for the Channel and Formats : I loved PNL, I wish sky poker would go more like that. We need to see more cash games on sky. I for one was very happy to see the introduction of master cash and I have enjoyed watching it very much. I don't want to watch a tourney with a load of donkeys shoving and folding for 4 hrs. What's interesting about that. We want various shows that focus on everything, sng's, mtt's and cash. Different nights for different things. P.S I still have a PNL T-Shirt that i won for an e-mail. it's too small for me now but can't throw it away. Too many good memories. Keep up the good work Tikay, love the banter between you and Rich Posted by salazar
Thank you salazar.
Yes, Poker Night Live was good, & I enjoyed being part of it very much. But it went Busto, because it showed the wrong programming, the wrong Tourneys, the wrong Cash games. At the end, the Tourney they showed each night - an MTT - was getting about 12 (TWELVE) Runners. So, I hope Sky Poker don't copy their business model any time soon, if you get my drift!
The Cardroom bears the cost of the TV Channel, so it HAS to drive business to the Cardroom, & it does that by appealing to the majority tastes in poker.
In Response to Re: Some Criticism and Suggestions for the Channel and Formats : Thank you salazar. Yes, Poker Night Live was good, & I enjoyed being part of it very much. But it went Busto, because it showed the wrong programming, the wrong Tourneys, the wrong Cash games. At the end, the Tourney they showed each night - an MTT - was getting about 12 (TWELVE) Runners. So, I hope Sky Poker don't copy their business model any time soon, if you get my drift! The Cardroom bears the cost of the TV Channel, so it HAS to drive business to the Cardroom, & it does that by appealing to the majority tastes in poker. Posted by Tikay10
Thank you for your reply Tikay. I appreciate that Sky Poker is trying to attract new players to the site and it does this by trying to show them the basics and showing their name on the show. I think this would still be possible with TV tables on cash and sng's so why not show a bit of everything?. I know my opinion probably doesn't count for much especially as I choose to play on a different site. I would like to start playing on sky poker though but I am holding out for download version at the moment. The reason is I use tracking software which I believe is not available to use on sky's current software. Other things I feel are important such as hand replayers are also missing from the site. I will continue to watch the show and check the forum out in the hope that these changes are made soon. I would appeal to sky that although attracting new players to the site is important they should not forget that their are millions of people playing at other sites who they could attract if a few changes to the site were to be made. A downloadable version, a hand replayer and better graphics would be a perfect start. Keeping my fingers crossed for changes,
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was a great channel considering i presume a very small budget....
Sorry I never did it before, but it'd been a bit hectic, the preparations for Total Player have been very time-consuming. And that's not the end of exciting new things happening here. Watch this space. Not for long, either......
There is no excuse for being an Orforder, either. What WERE you thinking?
Is the JCB3B still the bizz?
The subject of repeating old (classic?!) editions of the Open (instead of the frequent repeats of the current live shows) was also raised in this thread. When this was previously raised, Des, I think that you said that you would look into it.
Is there any possibility of this happening?
Any edition where Kara reads out an e-mail from me will be fine. ;-)
Oh and Tikay, "There is no excuse for being an Orforder, either. What WERE you thinking?" we all have our crosses to bear!
Do I get repeat fees?
I think I know the answer to this question...
Cheers
Chris
But it's a Producer's call, so I'll ask one of them to comment. Assuming I remember.
I loved PNL, I wish sky poker would go more like that. We need to see more cash games on sky. I for one was very happy to see the introduction of master cash and I have enjoyed watching it very much.
I don't want to watch a tourney with a load of donkeys shoving and folding for 4 hrs. What's interesting about that. We want various shows that focus on everything, sng's, mtt's and cash. Different nights for different things.
P.S I still have a PNL T-Shirt that i won for an e-mail. it's too small for me now but can't throw it away.
Too many good memories.
Keep up the good work Tikay, love the banter between you and Rich
Just a quick note that you may appreciate Cash Unlimited this week. Monday and Tuesday at 8pm. Both shows are brand new and feature play from Master Cash 10 and Master Cash 14 respectively.
Hope you enjoy them.
Ax
Yes, Poker Night Live was good, & I enjoyed being part of it very much. But it went Busto, because it showed the wrong programming, the wrong Tourneys, the wrong Cash games. At the end, the Tourney they showed each night - an MTT - was getting about 12 (TWELVE) Runners. So, I hope Sky Poker don't copy their business model any time soon, if you get my drift!
The Cardroom bears the cost of the TV Channel, so it HAS to drive business to the Cardroom, & it does that by appealing to the majority tastes in poker.
Thank you for your reply Tikay.
I appreciate that Sky Poker is trying to attract new players to the site and it does this by trying to show them the basics and showing their name on the show. I think this would still be possible with TV tables on cash and sng's so why not show a bit of everything?.
I know my opinion probably doesn't count for much especially as I choose to play on a different site. I would like to start playing on sky poker though but I am holding out for download version at the moment.
The reason is I use tracking software which I believe is not available to use on sky's current software. Other things I feel are important such as hand replayers are also missing from the site. I will continue to watch the show and check the forum out in the hope that these changes are made soon.
I would appeal to sky that although attracting new players to the site is important they should not forget that their are millions of people playing at other sites who they could attract if a few changes to the site were to be made.
A downloadable version, a hand replayer and better graphics would be a perfect start. Keeping my fingers crossed for changes,
Salazar