In Response to Re: My faith in sky poker has gone : ok clever clogs, the very next thing i've played in I'VE GOT A9 the flop is A94 MY OPPONANT HAS KJ, so i've got 2 pairs off the flop he has complete air, not knowing this i cheekily pushed all in and to my surprise i got called, when i saw his cards i could'nt believe it but in true SKY JOKER sorry SKY POKER tradition the turn was a 10 and the river a Q so you people who have commented on my post don't tell me this isn't dodgy border line fixed because with all the varients in the world this would make me the most un lucky guy ever, 6 atrocious bad runner runner beats on the trot, and you who said even if i posted the beats it couldn't be proved if they were my last 5 now 6 hands well i don't lie so basically if your calling me a lier get stuffed and thats putting it mildly. And i have played a fair bit live in response to the other guy's comments and never have i seen anything that comes close to the situations today, i defy you to show me or tell me about anyone who has been mugged 6 hands on the trot by miracle runner runner cards - i will bet my house its never happened before Posted by Herbie536
the discrepancy between 3 and 5 times is my fault i typed it wrong, and as far as it going to 6 that was because it had just happened in my next hand different tourney hence the new post, to be fair the 6th time was in a free roll which is a lottery anyway- never the less it happened, frankly i don care if you believe me so posting the hands is futile, people who know me know i dont lie or even exaggerate and how i've explained things is how they happened, i do play on tables with you sort of regularly so i will be watching for it happening to you and see if you have the same carefree attitude,"somehow i very much doubt it"
@Lambert: Yes i know online is faster, and you play more hands per hour, but multi tabling has nothing to do with it.. Yes you will get coolered more by multi tabling.. but the point i make is.. play 500 hands on 1 standard 6 max table online.. then play 500 on a 6max live.. you will get more coolers and bad beats online. @Kaymac: Yeah i know theres a maximum on how much rake they take per hand: Think its 7.5% of the pot upto the max of £1.80.. But that still means the more money in the pot = more rake / Big cooler hand = max rake Believe me.. I wish online poker was completely random, But everything i've said just makes too much sense for me to think otherwise, i mean.. why wouldnt online poker sites want to increase variance to get more money?? If online is just as random as live poker, then i can honestly say i've never ever run bad playing live poker. Yes you get the odd cooler but nothing huge compared to online Posted by stickler10
that is the exactly how i see it too, this post of your makes more sense than anything i've read on the site, regardless of how others see things you "in my humble opinion" have hit the nail on the head.
In Response to Re: My faith in sky poker has gone : What you are saying has been said thousands of times before on all poker forums all over the world but not one person has come up with any irrefutable evidence to back it up. So when you say "i guarantee that if you play the same amount of hands online and then live.. you will get considerably more coolers and bad beats online" it is the same as a Nigerian cold caller guaranteing me I have won the African lottery, worthless. Posted by jonjo75
Yes its true no one has evidence to back it up.. But no one has evidence to prove its NOT fixed either...
The best you will come to the truth is by thoroughly running tests between sites and live poker and comparing.
In Response to Re: My faith in sky poker has gone : the discrepancy between 3 and 5 times is my fault i typed it wrong, and as far as it going to 6 that was because it had just happened in my next hand different tourney hence the new post, to be fair the 6th time was in a free roll which is a lottery anyway- never the less it happened, frankly i don care if you believe me so posting the hands is futile, people who know me know i dont lie or even exaggerate and how i've explained things is how they happened, i do play on tables with you sort of regularly so i will be watching for it happening to you and see if you have the same carefree attitude,"somehow i very much doubt it" Posted by Herbie536
I am not saying a bad beat doesnt hurt and believe me I have had them just as much as anyone else. But I dont start blaming SKY or if its live the dealer because I have played enough hands to know its Poker. Usually the people bringing this up are on the whole losing players and are trying to find any reason for this apart from themselves. ( I dont play many freerolls unless i forget to deregister so I am not sure we have played on many of the same tables) )
Mate your going completely off topic now with these comparisons, If you need to act like a troll because you disagree with someones opinion then take it elsewhere, cheers pal
Where have i gone off topic? I'm sorry but if not agreeing with someone and putting forward points to counter there argument is trolling then I will definately stop. And if you think it is trolling then I have obv offended you which wasnt my plan so I will stop.
What points are you putting forward to counter my argument? Telling me that if theres a fairy at the end of your garden then its not up to you to prove there isnt. ? I did not tell you to prove online poker isnt rigged. You said no one has evidence to prove its rigged, and i simply said: no one can prove its not rigged either.
And you havent offended me, I just cant see why your trying to ridicule my argument with posts about fairys
He made a fair point to be honest. As with anything, the burden of proof lies with the person saying something is true.
You can't say 'God is real because no-one has proved otherwise', which is why in any civilised country people are innocent until proven guilty.
I've never ranbad long term in live poker either, certainly nothing compared to what I have done online, but that's because online I've played a probably 200,000+ hands, and to do that live would probably take longer than I've been legally old enough to play poker. You will experience the ups and downs much faster online, so if you're good you will hopefully see the profits quicker. Likewise, if you're bad, you'll lose faster
He made a fair point to be honest. As with anything, the burden of proof lies with the person saying something is true. You can't say 'God is real because no-one has proved otherwise', which is why in any civilised country people are innocent until proven guilty. I've never ranbad long term in live poker either, certainly nothing compared to what I have done online, but that's because online I've played a probably 200,000+ hands, and to do that live would probably take longer than I've been legally old enough to play poker. You will experience the ups and downs much faster online, so if you're good you will hopefully see the profits quicker. Likewise, if you're bad, you'll lose faster Posted by Lambert180
I agree that this is like an "innocent until proven guilty" situation.. You cant prove it is rigged but you cant prove it isnt either.. im simply stating what i believe and the reasons why.. Maybe the word "rigged" is coming across in more of a "completley 100% scam" way.. which isnt what im saying..
In a better way.. im saying that on online poker sites, variance is INCREASED to make more money..
I mean, in your honest opinion.. why WOULDNT sky want to increase variance for more money ??
I understand what your saying in that because online is quicker, you play more hands and there are more coolers etc.. But its like i said.. if you played the same amount of hands online and then live.. i believe you'd find more coolers and bad beats online..
But then again maybe i just always run like jesus live and terrible online ?
In Response to Re: My faith in sky poker has gone : I agree that this is like an "innocent until proven guilty" situation.. You cant prove it is rigged but you cant prove it isnt either.. im simply stating what i believe and the reasons why.. Maybe the word "rigged" is coming across in more of a "completley 100% scam" way.. which isnt what im saying.. In a better way.. im saying that on online poker sites, variance is INCREASED to make more money.. I mean, in your honest opinion.. why WOULDNT sky want to increase variance for more money ?? I understand what your saying in that because online is quicker, you play more hands and there are more coolers etc.. But its like i said.. if you played the same amount of hands online and then live.. i believe you'd find more coolers and bad beats online.. But then again maybe i just always run like jesus live and terrible online ? Posted by stickler10
Because it's illegal and if they were ever found out it would completely destroy the entire Sky brand... Sky TV, Sky Broadband, Sky Gaming etc etc... can't see them doing it to be honest, when poker sites already rake it in by being completely fair.
The fact that you even posted this just amazes me. Seen sicker things live than I have online, so therefore live poker is rigged yeah ? No point even arguing here *sigh*
The fact you've just posted something irrelivant again amazes me. As i said, if you had read what im actually saying i might take your posts seriously. Now, loud and clear for you...
Im not saying bad beats and coolers DONT happen on online poker, they happen in live poker, and online. variance is part of poker. It doesnt matter if you've seen sicker things live, thats all part of poker, where ever you see it.
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Yes its true no one has evidence to back it up.. But no one has evidence to prove its NOT fixed either...
The best you will come to the truth is by thoroughly running tests between sites and live poker and comparing.
I am not saying a bad beat doesnt hurt and believe me I have had them just as much as anyone else. But I dont start blaming SKY or if its live the dealer because I have played enough hands to know its Poker.
Usually the people bringing this up are on the whole losing players and are trying to find any reason for this apart from themselves. ( I dont play many freerolls unless i forget to deregister so I am not sure we have played on many of the same tables)
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I'm sorry but if not agreeing with someone and putting forward points to counter there argument is trolling then I will definately stop.
And if you think it is trolling then I have obv offended you which wasnt my plan so I will stop.
And you havent offended me, I just cant see why your trying to ridicule my argument with posts about fairys
You can't say 'God is real because no-one has proved otherwise', which is why in any civilised country people are innocent until proven guilty.
I've never ranbad long term in live poker either, certainly nothing compared to what I have done online, but that's because online I've played a probably 200,000+ hands, and to do that live would probably take longer than I've been legally old enough to play poker. You will experience the ups and downs much faster online, so if you're good you will hopefully see the profits quicker. Likewise, if you're bad, you'll lose faster
In a better way.. im saying that on online poker sites, variance is INCREASED to make more money..
I mean, in your honest opinion.. why WOULDNT sky want to increase variance for more money ??
I understand what your saying in that because online is quicker, you play more hands and there are more coolers etc.. But its like i said.. if you played the same amount of hands online and then live.. i believe you'd find more coolers and bad beats online..
But then again maybe i just always run like jesus live and terrible online ?
And fluxfoxy.. i'd appreciate if you'd actually read whats being said before you make assumptions..
Im not blaming sky for anything, I know variance is part of poker and i take it on the chin when i lose a hand.
Im actually a decent player and turn over a profit playing live and online..
Dont be lazy and read previous posts before posting
The fact you've just posted something irrelivant again amazes me. As i said, if you had read what im actually saying i might take your posts seriously. Now, loud and clear for you...
Im not saying bad beats and coolers DONT happen on online poker, they happen in live poker, and online. variance is part of poker. It doesnt matter if you've seen sicker things live, thats all part of poker, where ever you see it.
Can you understand this ???? *sigh*