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Should I carry it on and bet river or give up?

FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
edited October 2012 in The Poker Clinic
Don't know the oppo in this hand, I saw them get it all in pre with a very marginal hand when about 150BB deep and get lucky earlier in the night, so I expect his calling range to be larger than others.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
x Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £19.05
Ubbi4820 Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £19.95
 Your hole cards
  • K
  • J
   
Donttelmum Fold     
THESWISS Fold     
super_nova Raise  £0.90 £1.35 £42.40
FlashFlush Raise  £2.70 £4.05 £26.85
x Call  £2.55 £6.60 £16.50
Ubbi4820 Fold     
super_nova Call  £1.80 £8.40 £40.60
Flop
  
  • Q
  • 4
  • 8
   
x Check     
super_nova Check     
FlashFlush Bet  £4.20 £12.60 £22.65
x Call  £4.20 £16.80 £12.30
super_nova Fold     
Turn
  
  • A
   
x Check     
FlashFlush Check     
River
  
  • 9
   
x Check     
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  • mrdaviesmrdavies Member Posts: 475
    edited October 2012
    Looks like a weak Queen to me or maybe a low pair 66 77? After checking the Ace on turn I cant see you getting him off a queen but maybe a  bet on river gets him off the pair thought?

    however, i may be wrong.

    What was outcome?
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2012

    Have to shove the turn imo! 

    Your last chance of winning the hand after he flats the flop is for a K or A to hit the turn. 

    I spose you can still ship it but I think the turn is a missed opportunity!
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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: Should I carry it on and bet river or give up?:
    Have to shove the turn imo!  Your last chance of winning the hand after he flats the flop is for a K or A to hit the turn.  I spose you can still ship it but I think the turn is a missed opportunity!
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    £22 into a £16 pot on a bluff? Would it not be better to half pot turn then shove river to make it more believable? Or is that bad because he is getting another card to hit?
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited October 2012

    Noooo, he only has £12.30 back right? 

    £12 into a pot that's already £16.80 is about perfect size.

    I also misread the hand first time round, I didn't realise we were 3 way on the flop. 

    I wouldn't be cbetting, but It has more chance of working with your image I spose!?


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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited October 2012
    Oh yeh. Didn't notice his stack!
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited October 2012
    +1 to shoving turn, i'd also just flat call pre
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  • Wacko90Wacko90 Member Posts: 906
    edited October 2012
    shoving turn is probs your only way to win, betting the river will look way to bluffy and hel probs c/c with any q.
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited October 2012
    I like shoving ott after cbetting. If you're gonna give up I probs just don't cbet. More cos of the guy who cold called, but I suppose he's probs a fish which makes it ok
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited October 2012
    I don't like the 3b pre if readless

    I think giving up on flop is ok, jam turn as played, don't bet river
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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: Should I carry it on and bet river or give up?:
    I don't like the 3b pre if readless I think giving up on flop is ok, jam turn as played, don't bet river
    Posted by grantorino
    So basically the complete opposite I did on all 4 streets. lol FML
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited October 2012
    meh i definitely like cbetting on this board 3way, you could make it a bit smaller though
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: Should I carry it on and bet river or give up?:
    meh i definitely like cbetting on this board 3way, you could make it a bit smaller though
    Posted by yb
    you think he makes them both fold enough of the time? considering a lot of the cold callers range is probs med pairs/AQ/AK/AA/KK etc...?
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited October 2012
    In Response to Re: Should I carry it on and bet river or give up?:
    In Response to Re: Should I carry it on and bet river or give up? : you think he makes them both fold enough of the time? considering a lot of the cold callers range is probs med pairs/AQ/AK/AA/KK etc...?
    Posted by percival09
    well if we bet like £3.50 we only need them to fold ~ 30% of the time to be profitable even if we had 0 equity when called, and as i think the op said the cold caller was a bit fishy i think he's range is wider than what you said there. so i definitely would be expecting a decent amount of c/f's on this type of board.
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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited October 2012
    I forgot to say the outcome! I bet out £8 and he called with AJ so the shoves on the turn wouldn't of worked lol. The Chet on the flop should if taken the pot really :-(
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited October 2012
    bet turn

    river bet is getting called a lot
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