Russian Roulletes and a my own game plan!

kidwiz10

I posted something similar to this couple months ago about them and if ou played enough could you be in profit from the amount of cash back youd receive i was told no anyway...

Ive gone for a strategy that is working or may fail miserably!!

I play NL50 and as long as i make enough profit in that i register for a stupid amount of RR raging from £1.10 to £3.30 as there extremely good for points.

At the moment this is goin great as im doin well at NL50

Im currently on 5700 points and didnt play rr lastnight or to much cash but kinda tired so ill be back on fresh starting tm and hoping to have around 8k by then

Thankyou for reading inputs on what people think of this game plan ive gone for be helpfull

SHANXTA

lol

jugglegeek

In Response to Russian Roulletes and a my own game plan!:

I posted something similar to this couple months ago about them and if ou played enough could you be in profit from the amount of cash back youd receive i was told no anyway... Ive gone for a strategy that is working or may fail miserably!! I play NL50 and as long as i make enough profit in that i register for a stupid amount of RR raging from £1.10 to £3.30 as there extremely good for points. At the moment this is goin great as im doin well at NL50 Im currently on 5700 points and didnt play rr lastnight or to much cash but kinda tired so ill be back on fresh starting tm and hoping to have around 8k by then Thankyou for reading inputs on what people think of this game plan ive gone for be helpfull
Posted by kidwiz10

I don't see how these can be +ev. You earn 1 point for each £1.10 RR you play. If you are priority then that 1 point is worth 4.2p. Expected value on a 50:50 RR for £1.10 is -£0.10. Only when the rake drops below 4.2% do they become +ev and that's only when you are priority member. They might be useful as a last minute gamble to boost point to make priority at the end of the month. But if they were +ev then everyone would be playing them

kidwiz10

Thx for your input Juggle think you missed the point tho.

When i make quite a bit of profit through NL50 i then play these as they boost my points rapidly.

If i am down in profit on the day of playing cash i do not play these.

I am in priority so guess that does help anyway.

I only 4 table nl50 at most so getting alot of points through that is gunna be alot of hours and to be honest that aint gunna happen.

There is a degree where you can say play for profit and leave the RR alone
but i think cash back is a great factor in this.

If i can keep at this level i am now i could easily make 30k points for the month and be break even at cash and have a really nice return for it.

As long as i dont have a mega downswing at cash im gunna keep at this and see where it goes

Thankyou

Lambert180

But you're missing the point, playing these games is a losing proposition, however you look at it. It's like saying to your mate, let's flip a coin, if it's heads you give me 40p, if it's tails I'll give you 50p. He could give you 2p back for everytime you play but you are still losing.

You are making less in points than you are losing in play, so if it's the little chunk you get at the end of each month that u like then do this... if you win at cash and plan to play 20 x £1.10 RRs, then just withdraw the £20 (put it in a seperate account if you want), and do that every night, then at the end of the month, you have £200 or whatever in the seperate account, stick it back on Sky or keep it. But RRs cannot be beaten by any amount of volume, or Sky wouldn't do them, plain and simple, because each time someone played one they would effectively be throwing money away (like you are by playing them).

Sorry if I sound harsh, if you play them cos you enjoy seeing the race or wahtever, that's fine, but to play them thinking you make any sort of profit from them is just mathematically wrong.

GaryQQQ

The only situation in which playing RR is not -ev is when a small number of games will get you over a C4P threshold as the end-of-month approaches.

Otherwise RR is always nothing more than -ev gambling, ie you lose more money per game than you gain in C4P over time. Of course that's absolutely fine is you're looking for some cheap fun, but don't fool yourself into thinking you're making a profit.

NColley

Lol, wasting your own profit trying to accumulate more points, how can you not see how bad this is?

At the end of the month you might of accumulated a fair bit more of bonus monies but I'd be suprised if this bonus monies covered your losses from playing the RRs.

CrazyBen23

I know people love points more than their own mum but this takes the biscuit. Am i missing something or do points give some people on sky superhuman power?

ACEGOONER

In Response to Re: Russian Roulletes and a my own game plan!:

Lol, wasting your own profit trying to accumulate more points, how can you not see how bad this is? At the end of the month you might of accumulated a fair bit more of bonus monies but I'd be suprised if this bonus monies covered your losses from playing the RRs.
Posted by NColley

Exactamundo, as garyQQQ also points out they are good for getting thru thresholds, some of which are quite a big jump eg, 19999 to 20000. But there is only one level to play these at, shhhhhh.

Glenelg

Wasn't there a player who played £22 RR's  exclusively? Mackem18 (or a name like that).   Not sure if he still plays them. 

Lambert180

Any level once you reach the lowest rake offered?

BUFC

Sorry to sound harsh but this is just top level stupidity!

Theres a reason why all the top pros on Sky dont do this..because it cannot be beaten! The example Lambert uses is perfect. Rakeback is just a little bonus, it benefits Sky in the long run not the customer!

D_Legend

i must amitt i have played these and there pretty sick down swings are brutal worst then poker somtimes. lost 10+ in row just trying to get a the next pay spot which i lost more then i gained before sence kicked in. 

but i would mainly use then come the end of the month say when u can't be asked to play poker or u not going to be able to play for the last few days.  

or as said i make more sence playing these then losing out on the the next c4p section.

Lambert180

What I don't get is... why not just playing Hypers towards the end of the month? Ok they take a bit longer, but there's skill in them, so you can have an edge, and can actually win long term, the rake on Hypers is only 5% and you can still earn ALOT of C4P

GaryQQQ

There used to be more incentive when the poker league awarded cash prizes, every month a RR specialist would take down the STT league much to the annoyance of high volume HU/DYM grinders. After the league was scrapped those particular 'specialists' quickly vanished.

DEL560

Hi Kidwiz.

Have you done these RR before?  Did you break even/make a profit?

Why the big need to get to 30k points, wud you not be better just retaining the profit at cash you have made and stiil have some c4p?

How has it been going the last few days and fair play to you for trying a different strategy.

GL

Unknown

This is the equivalent of spending more at Sainsburys, to get more Nectar points

patwalshh

In Response to Re: Russian Roulletes and a my own game plan!:

He could give you 2p back for everytime you play but you are still losing. You are making less in points than you are losing in play.
Posted by Lambert180

This lol.

In Response to Re: Russian Roulletes and a my own game plan!:

This is the equivalent of spending more at Sainsburys, to get more Nectar points
Posted by CoxyLboro

And then leaving the shopping at the checkout. 

Slykllist

In Response to Re: Russian Roulletes and a my own game plan!:

This is the equivalent of spending more at Sainsburys, to get more Nectar points
Posted by CoxyLboro

^^ THIS ^^

It's actually like buying loads of stuff you won't get any benefit from and will only throw away just to get more Nectar points!