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Number of consecutive bad beats in bounty hunter tournaments

guardsman1guardsman1 Member Posts: 100
edited November 2012 in Brags, Beats and Variance
I have spoken to a number of people in these tournaments, and after discussing this issue was adviced to write something on here.
I am fully aware that we all get bad beats and it is part of the game, however when you go out of 8 consecutive tournaments on bad beats is rather bad, I had a friend to double check this for me and when he did he came up with the same odds that I did and to lose the way I did was odds of 2 and half million to 1 ???.
What I find very interesting is that a nimber of people have had the same problem and what really annoys me is that 6 of these bad beats where by people who made outragous calls with less then 15 of winning and have hit on the river, and also a point that needs to be pointed out is that 6 of them bad beats where from a person who won a ticket into the £110 and £55 touranments and when you question these people they just laughed and said thanks for the money, I AM BY NO MEANS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD AND AM DOWN MONEY ON HERE BECAUSE OF MAINLY BEING BUSTED BY BAD BEATS,I have played in real life and have done rather well with winnings of 15k, and I have never come across these odds before. I e-mailed sky and they give you a response with any real answers and said if I was unhappy I could either leave or write too Alderney Gambling Control Commission and complain to them, and because of the refusal of skypoker to discuse this I did and they are now looking at the hand history of these games. What worries me about this is will sky now PUNISH me by giving me even more bad beats or even being kicked of the site. They can not ignore the amount of players complaining about these bad beats etc and yet they do nothing and will not even answer a question and try to brush it off, Like I said I have talked to a number of players and agreed that I would start this discussion to see if others felt the same.  One final point I think that in the big tournys like the £110 and £55 that tickets should not be allowed or should at the very least be capped at say 3 players getting a ticket has a player that buys into this for the full price I think its only fair, or maybe I am wrong, your views on the above would be very welcome even negative ones thanks John
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2012

    Interested as to why you think the number of satellite entrants should be capped? 
  • guardsman1guardsman1 Member Posts: 100
    edited November 2012
    I just beleive that having too many tickets spoils the game, and to be honest a number of them are just fish and donkys yes i am aware that will upset some people but that is what i truly think BUT THIS IS MAINLY ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF BAD BEATS THE OTHER THINGS ARE JUST MY PERSONEL THOUGHTS 
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2012
    In Response to Re: Number of consecutive bad beats in bounty hunter tournaments:
    I just beleive that having too many tickets spoils the game, and to be honest a number of them are just fish and donkys yes i am aware that will upset some people but that is what i truly think 
    Posted by guardsman1
    I agree Maxally and Scouse Red do seem to Sat in quite often, especially when they have no choice but to shove in blind every hand. 

    But alot of good players go through sats too. 

    Capping tickets might make the standard worse, not better as the games will just be full of big bankroll players who can afford to gamble and play bingo poker without worrying about the buy in. 

     


  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited November 2012
    if you are fairly tight then i reckon the chance of going out of a BH on a bad beat is prob more than 50% - say 56%.
    So to go out that way 8 times in a row is a one in a hundred chance. Not nice but not uncommon.
    Don't mix hand odds with tourny life odds.
  • smarrsmarr Member Posts: 461
    edited November 2012
    You will get 'fish' and 'donkeys' at every level. Sure its tough when u go on a run of bad beats, but in the end you just gotta keep doing the right things and in the long run your good play will shine through.
       I don't think capping sattelite entrants would be helpful in any way, for one it would really hurt alot of the smaller stakes players of which this is they're only chance of a shot at ' the big time '. There is always the possibility it would slowly kill the gurantee's on these tournaments. 
       I don't think it is fixed in any way or sky wouldnt have told you to contact the AGCC. Hope you run better soon mate, GL at the tables.
  • G_EmeryG_Emery Member Posts: 113
    edited November 2012
    guarsman would you be so kind as to post some of these bad beats?
  • MAXALLYMAXALLY Member Posts: 17,637
    edited November 2012
    In Response to Re: Number of consecutive bad beats in bounty hunter tournaments:
    In Response to Re: Number of consecutive bad beats in bounty hunter tournaments : I agree Maxally and Scouse Red do seem to Sat in quite often, especially when they have no choice but to shove in blind every hand.  But alot of good players go through sats too.  Capping tickets might make the standard worse, not better as the games will just be full of big bankroll players who can afford to gamble and play bingo poker without worrying about the buy in.   
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    LOLZ. Nice rubs JJ.

    To the OP - By the nature of B/H's, they are more gamberly (is that a word?) than your normal freeze out tournaments IMO, because of the added value of the head prizes. There are more 'wide' calls from the big stacks if there is a bounty on offer which you may not of seen them do in other MTT's.

  • guardsman1guardsman1 Member Posts: 100
    edited November 2012
    In Response to Re: Number of consecutive bad beats in bounty hunter tournaments:
    guarsman would you be so kind as to post some of these bad beats?
    Posted by G_Emery
    I am sorry I would have done and I have seen others do that, to be frank and honest I have no idea how to post these beats otherwise I would have done, so sorry, thanks for your replys it is very interesting to hear what others have to say and very helpful
  • G_EmeryG_Emery Member Posts: 113
    edited November 2012
    Just log into sky poker go to "my sky poker" hand history then find the hands and just copy and paste the log =)
  • JPW33JPW33 Member Posts: 326
    edited November 2012
    Im sure it would help if you post these "bad beats" as Ive often thought Ive had a bad beat and then after reviewing the hand I realsied I'd played it all wrong.
  • POKERTREVPOKERTREV Member Posts: 9,607
    edited November 2012
    In Response to Re: Number of consecutive bad beats in bounty hunter tournaments:
    I just beleive that having too many tickets spoils the game, and to be honest a number of them are just fish and donkys yes i am aware that will upset some people but that is what i truly think BUT THIS IS MAINLY ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF BAD BEATS THE OTHER THINGS ARE JUST MY PERSONEL THOUGHTS 
    Posted by guardsman1
    Hi Guardsman.
    All major tournies, live and online have satelites into them, even high rollers use them to enter these main events.

    I would imagine a lot of players including myself feel pretty insulted to be reffered to as a fish or donkey's, regardless of what level our game is at, and even if this were true......are you trying to say you don't want these type of players on your table? if not why not? We need "Fish/Donkeys" or players with a lesser abilility (as I would rather call them) at our tables, this is how we make some serious money in heads.

    I'm pretty sure if you had 5 other players at your table of Negranu's ability (Which is what you are essentially saying you want) then you would probably have even more bad beats in a row than the ones you are complaining about now :)

    Bounty Hunters play quite a lot differently to ordinary MTT's and players are much more likely to slow roll a monster hand and play a much wider range than usual, because that's how to take Bounty Heads.

    Players like to see a flop with any 2 in Bounty Hunters and if you allow them into the pot, then there is always a possibility they are going to try and chase it down the streets, but good luck to them, that's the kind of players I want on my table all day long. We just need to adjust our game to combat this.

    Have you read any books on Bounty Hunter Strategies? or do you try to play them like ordinary MTT's?

    I certainly wouldn't want to insult your ability as a player as I have never seen you play, however, a lot of the time we need to adjust how we play in certain tournies and situations.

    I'm sure if you learn how to post some of your hands on here, the community will quickly be able to help you address any issues you may have with these types of tournaments.

    Best of Luck.
    Pokertrev
  • jonjo75jonjo75 Member Posts: 999
    edited November 2012
    If you have shown your friends these hands then you know where to find them so do the same and copy and paste them, Its Quite easy and will go along way to explain your point better.


    Here is a link explaining how to post the hands.
    How to post your hands in the Poker Clinic 
  • davelufcdavelufc Member Posts: 1,374
    edited November 2012
    Seems to have alot of `friends` on here!!!!

    Collusion !!!! Also OP can`t post any HH`s funny eh??

    If you think it`s fixed, post some proof or naff off fella...
  • jonjo75jonjo75 Member Posts: 999
    edited November 2012
    Still waiting :-)
  • roofer33roofer33 Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2012
    just played a torney thought my god  floped a straight to the ace got called with a pair of queens got 10 j flop was a k q  thought trips no problem then he rivered another queen quads what are the odds please someone tell me i have been rivered six times with strong hands lasts time pair of aces in hand biggest stack call all in with 6 3 of suit he goes and flops a full house 3 3 6  how dose that add up i am not a bad player and i acept there are bad beats but come on it seams the more chips u have the luckier or no problem takeing stacks
      Response to Number of consecutive bad beats in bounty hunter tournaments:
    I have spoken to a number of people in these tournaments, and after discussing this issue was adviced to write something on here. I am fully aware that we all get bad beats and it is part of the game, however when you go out of 8 consecutive tournaments on bad beats is rather bad, I had a friend to double check this for me and when he did he came up with the same odds that I did and to lose the way I did was odds of 2 and half million to 1 ???. What I find very interesting is that a nimber of people have had the same problem and what really annoys me is that 6 of these bad beats where by people who made outragous calls with less then 15 of winning and have hit on the river, and also a point that needs to be pointed out is that 6 of them bad beats where from a person who won a ticket into the £110 and £55 touranments and when you question these people they just laughed and said thanks for the money, I AM BY NO MEANS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD AND AM DOWN MONEY ON HERE BECAUSE OF MAINLY BEING BUSTED BY BAD BEATS,I have played in real life and have done rather well with winnings of 15k, and I have never come across these odds before. I e-mailed sky and they give you a response with any real answers and said if I was unhappy I could either leave or write too  Alderney Gambling Control Commission and complain to them, and because of the refusal of skypoker to discuse this I did and they are now looking at the hand history of these games. What worries me about this is will sky now PUNISH me by giving me even more bad beats or even being kicked of the site. They can not ignore the amount of players complaining about these bad beats etc and yet they do nothing and will not even answer a question and try to brush it off, Like I said I have talked to a number of players and agreed that I would start this discussion to see if others felt the same.  One final point I think that in the big tournys like the £110 and £55 that tickets should not be allowed or should at the very least be capped at say 3 players getting a ticket has a player that buys into this for the full price I think its only fair, or maybe I am wrong, your views on the above would be very welcome even negative ones thanks John
    Posted by guardsman1
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  • GELDYGELDY Member Posts: 5,203
    edited November 2012
    In Response to Re: Number of consecutive bad beats in bounty hunter tournaments:
    just played a torney thought my god  floped a straight to the ace got called with a pair of queens got 10 j flop was a k q  thought trips no problem then he rivered another queen quads what are the odds please someone tell me i have been rivered six times with strong hands lasts time pair of aces in hand biggest stack call all in with 6 3 of suit he goes and flops a full house 3 3 6  how dose that add up i am not a bad player and i acept there are bad beats but come on it seams the more chips u have the luckier or no problem takeing stacks   Response to Number of consecutive bad beats in bounty hunter tournaments : im
    Posted by roofer33
    ul - but not related to this thread which is about consecutive tournie exits
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited November 2012
    In Response to Re: Number of consecutive bad beats in bounty hunter tournaments:
    just played a torney thought my god  floped a straight to the ace got called with a pair of queens got 10 j flop was a k q  thought trips no problem then he rivered another queen quads what are the odds please someone tell me i have been rivered six times with strong hands lasts time pair of aces in hand biggest stack call all in with 6 3 of suit he goes and flops a full house 3 3 6  how dose that add up i am not a bad player and i acept there are bad beats but come on it seams the more chips u have the luckier or no problem takeing stacks   Response to Number of consecutive bad beats in bounty hunter tournaments : im
    Posted by roofer33
    The odds are not that shocking really.

    You've got JT v QQ

    Flop = AKQ

    there's 1 Q in the pack that gives him quads to him, there's also 3 Kings and 3 Aces that will give him a fullhouse to beat you, and when the turn come cards (if it isn't already an A, K or Q) then there will be an extra card that could pair up to give him a FH so another 3 outs. Think the odds of a flopped set making a FH by the river are something like 1in3, so you're a favourite but you'll lose in this spot often too.
  • G_EmeryG_Emery Member Posts: 113
    edited November 2012
    Agree with Lambert some people don't understand the odds in poker and they think yes I flopped the nuts im unbeatable.....
  • EASYFIXEASYFIX Member Posts: 332
    edited November 2012
    been waiting for a post like this to get thrown out sooner or later so can't say i'm suprised...

    going back a few months i got jacked off with some of the bad beats, i'd cringe if i got dealt kk cus you could almost be sure someone behind you had aa... so i went and played on another site for a couple of days.... in those three days of playing quite a few hours a day i only saw aa come up against kk once....

    i came back to playing on sky and guess what.... i saw aa come up against kk three times in three hours

    bottom line is if you don't trust the site move to another... i don't and i have although i still play on here a bit cus i enjoy the craic and i like playing bounty hunters

    i have to confess it does seem a lot better lately but the aa kk clash seems to have changed to the miricle card on the river.... usually a ten to fill on person a straight and another a full house... make of it what you will but the bottom line is you don't have to play on here!!!
  • guardsman1guardsman1 Member Posts: 100
    edited November 2012

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    Guys i really do not know how to bring it over, sorry have not been about and jonjo I am treying to put them all on here but having problems pasting etc. and I do not lie I am getting a friend around to do this for me however i do not live on the site, this hand is the latest i played it really is unbelievable the amount of **** bad beats and I am getting this all the time and YES I THINK THE SITE IS RIGGED TO OTHER PLAYERS ON HERE, ESPECIALLY THE LONG STANDING PLAYERS THERE I HAVBE SAID IT, AND I WILL NOT PUT ANOTHER PENNY INTO THIS SITE AND WHEN I HAVE USED THE LAST £24 I WILL BE OFF HERE , NOW ALL YOU WHO ARE GOING TO RIP INTO ME FOR SAYING IT IS RIGGED , SO WHAT I AM ALLOWED TO SAY WHAT I THINK , THE HAND ABOVE IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN GETTING THESE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS , 2 OUTS AND YET AGAIN ON THE RIVER IT HITS I CANNOT WAIT TO GET ALL OF MY OTHER TOURNY HANDS UP THEN MAYBE YOU WILL SEE A PATTEN , THE ODDS DO NOT FIT, AND I SAY AGAIN SKYPOKER IS RIGGED, AND I THINK LIKE ABSOLUTE POKER THEY WILL GET CAUGHT OUT IN THE END 
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