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Facing A Donk-Shove On A Flushing River: DTD 3 (£2.20)
BorinLoner
Member Posts: 3,863
What do we make of this?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| delboygaz | Small blind | 10.00 | 10.00 | 2460.00 | |
| bigal36903 | Big blind | 20.00 | 30.00 | 2480.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| weemallet | Fold | ||||
| charnick25 | Raise | 60.00 | 90.00 | 2440.00 | |
| BorinLoner | Raise | 180.00 | 270.00 | 2310.00 | |
| shirley02 | Fold | ||||
| delboygaz | Fold | ||||
| bigal36903 | Fold | ||||
| charnick25 | Call | 120.00 | 390.00 | 2320.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| charnick25 | Check | ||||
| BorinLoner | Bet | 200.00 | 590.00 | 2110.00 | |
| charnick25 | Call | 200.00 | 790.00 | 2120.00 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| charnick25 | Check | ||||
| BorinLoner | Bet | 440.00 | 1230.00 | 1670.00 | |
| charnick25 | Call | 440.00 | 1670.00 | 1680.00 | |
| River | |||||
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| charnick25 | All-in | 1680.00 | 3350.00 | 0.00 | |
| BorinLoner | All-in | 1670.00 | 5020.00 | 0.00 | |
Comments
I'm 50/50 on both the pre-flop 3-bet and the river call.
Pretty sure that your losing on the river but doubt i actually manage to make the fold in game
As I say, I was 50/50 on the river call. I didn't think any set or straight was going to get to this river then shove, so it had to be the nuts or nothing. How many AhXh combos are really in that range, with the Jack and King on board, I'm not sure but there can't be that many that raise/call pre-flop.
You often see people raise call any suited ace at low stakes mtt. q10o or q10s are also distinct possibilities tbh i think your beat most of the time with the donk shove looks so much like a transparent played draw
Do you not need specific reads on a player before making this kind of call though?? still very early.....
I'm pretty sure if somebody else posted this hand you would say fold?
Feeling lucky? It's early and there's a ot of hands that people will bet here with esp ppr's to try to hit. I don't know the player so i'd be cautious. However he did raise then call your rer so he probably has you for an ace
I'd have thought he's got you with qts or has lucked out with trips as he seems content to just to call the streets but if he is drawing for str8 then he shouldn't on turn as he hasn't got the pot odds unless it was QT of hearts. I suppose by that stage he only has 1600 left and will be all in by then no matter and K is a good card for him.
***Once you've reached the river, i'm calling myself as i can still recover with my remaining stack.***Sorry i misread the history which Waller pointed out as its for all your remaining stack......sorry fold now really but its a long way back ...soi'd take my chance and just hope it was a silly 2 pr hand though unlikely as it does look like he's caught.......unless you're up for a Chip Reese type comeback!
Don't get me wrong, I think I lose this more often than I win, but is it often enough to make the call wrong? I'm not sure. If my logic holds, then players at this level aren't likely to raise Ax suited, unless it's pretty big so I felt that only AT or AQ, or something round there would be possible. QTo, I would have been a bit surprised by, not just because it's less likely to raise/call pre-flop but also because when the hearts come in, shoving would seem weird. QTs would usually play more aggro on this flop, as well.
I certainly wasn't ruling those hands out completely, but his range seemed to be more likely to be AQs, ATs or a bluff.
I don't agree that there was too much wrong with my flop bet, to be honest. It's a 3-bet pot and I don't need to let him make easy decisions here by betting too much to allow him to bluff and if he calls, most of the danger cards are pretty obvious.
Do you really wanna go broke in the first level on a pure gamble??
I would never try to give advice to you, you're a far more competant player than me which is why the call puzzles me
If you need reads on the specific player before you make big calls/bets against them, in MTT's you're basically going to end up just playing your hand a huge majority of the time.
As I say, it's not a pure gamble. It's a reasoned decision based on alot of things, including the pot odds and a range weighted in terms of which hands seem most likely. However if I didn't think it was marginal, I wouldn't have posted it.
I don't know which players I'm more competent than and which I'm not. I welcome advice from anyone regardless of experience. Sometimes it just takes someone to say "You're overthinking things" or something like it. That's something I'm guilty of alot and it doesn't take Phil Ivey to point it out. If Lol_Raise was asking for advice, I'm pretty sure he's not just waiting for better players than him to have their say, he just wants other points of view.