Accused of collusion

MrJoeBlogs

I was just playing in a £1.15 DYM and I had the table in mini view as I was playing in a tournament on another site as well.
When my other tournament finished I went back to standard view and noticed some chat as it scrolled past.I scrolled back through the chat and 1 player had accused me of colluding with another player.
I asked the player for an explanation and he just told me to f off.
I have just spoke to live chat support and asked them to review the DYM as I don’t like being accused of cheating.
I asked support what would be done about it, they tell me if it is proven to be unfounded then no action will be taken and that’s it.
So it would seem it is ok to make unfounded accusations  against players and the only prove you have of it being untrue is the fact you are still here.

FlashFlush

Seems to be a lot of that going on at the moment. I think we all just need a big group hug!

yoyo

keyboard warriors just love to spout & rant,

you're better off noting their names if it's out of order & reporting them to support, they do their best to stamp out any off behaviour & chat bans aren't uncommon

DOHHHHHHH

If all colluders are to be caught, occasionally people are going to be wrongly accused. This is a good thing, not a bad thing. 

There shouldn't be a punishment for getting it wrong, which is what I think you are suggesting.

Probably should be a reward for getting it right if anything, then more people might do something instead of ignoring it.

Strange post. Reporting yourself to be checked for collusion then complaining when you're cleared.!?

elsadog

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If all colluders are to be caught, occasionally people are going to be wrongly accused. This is a good thing, not a bad thing.  There shouldn't be a punishment for getting it wrong, which is what I think you are suggesting. Probably should be a reward for getting it right if anything, then more people might do something instead of ignoring it. Strange post. Reporting yourself to be checked for collusion then complaining when you're cleared.!?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Strange post indeed

SHAUNY

In Response to Re: Accused of collusion:

If all colluders are to be caught, occasionally people are going to be wrongly accused. This is a good thing, not a bad thing.  There shouldn't be a punishment for getting it wrong, which is what I think you are suggesting. Probably should be a reward for getting it right if anything, then more people might do something instead of ignoring it. Strange post. Reporting yourself to be checked for collusion then complaining when you're cleared.!?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

i see a **** of alot of this and other things too,just turn chat off mate

JPW33

Gotta say abuse at the tables is getting worse from my experience. We should have a chat abuse button which we just press and it instantly hightlights to the powers that be to investigate and decide on any action if required. I think some players are confusing banter with abuse and dont know the difference.

My Golden rule is dont put anything on the chat that you would not say to their face.

MrJoeBlogs

In Response to Re: Accused of collusion:

If all colluders are to be caught, occasionally people are going to be wrongly accused. This is a good thing, not a bad thing.  There shouldn't be a punishment for getting it wrong, which is what I think you are suggesting. Probably should be a reward for getting it right if anything, then more people might do something instead of ignoring it. Strange post. Reporting yourself to be checked for collusion then complaining when you're cleared.!?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Sorry but I dont agree that it is ok to wrongly accuse somebody of cheating unless there is some way of retracting the accusation if it is found to be untrue.

Strange post? Not really, I just want my name cleared and i dont see anywhere that I have complained about that.

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: Accused of collusion:

In Response to Re: Accused of collusion : Sorry but I dont agree that it is ok to wrongly accuse somebody of cheating unless there is some way of retracting the accusation if it is found to be untrue. Strange post? Not really, I just want my name cleared and i dont see anywhere that I have complained about that.
Posted by MrJoeBlogs

Nobody knew about the accusation, other than the 5 people at the table.

Posting here, thousands will have read it and would now be aware of it.

Best line would have been to just ignore it. 

But I'm pleased you got cleared, and urge you not to hesitate to report anyone you suspect of cheating in the fututre. 

JPW33

Well Im disagreeing with my favourite player on sky (DOHHHHHHH) and totally agree with the OP. You  cannot go around accusing people in public and then tell them to F off when asked about it. If you suspect something then do it through the proper channels for sky to investigate.

beaneh

maybe their reaction in chat should show you that they are to be taken less seriously than most people who report suspected collusion. 

water, ducks back etc

GaryQQQ

The person who accused you of colluding was probably just trying to put you on tilt........and it sounds like it worked a treat. Let's face it, who's so desperate that they're going to bother colluding to try and win 85p each? Devonfish5 plays 18 DYMs at a time on mini-view, he's probably been accused of colluding several times and doesn't even know about it.

My advice is to take everything you see in the chatbox with a pinch of salt, if stuff like this winds you up then simply leave it switched off. Personally I can laugh off anything I see in the chatbox, my location gives away that I'm in a forum team, so I've been accused of colluding several times. It doesn't worry me in the slightest because I know all my hand histories would stand up to any scrutiny.

I'll only consider reporting chatbox filth that crosses the line and might be offensive to others, a fairly rare occurance in my experience. My pet hate is those awful standard avatars, they are severely tilting. There's a simple solution; I've left them permanently switched off for 3 years.

MrJoeBlogs

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The person who accused you of colluding was probably just trying to put you on tilt........and it sounds like it worked a treat. Let's face it, who's so desperate that they're going to bother colluding to try and win 85p each? Devonfish5 plays 18 DYMs at a time on mini-view, he's probably been accused of colluding several times and doesn't even know about it. My advice is to take everything you see in the chatbox with a pinch of salt, if stuff like this winds you up then simply leave it switched off. Personally I can laugh off anything I see in the chatbox, my location gives away that I'm in a forum team, so I've been accused of colluding several times. It doesn't worry me in the slightest because I know all my hand histories would stand up to any scrutiny. I'll only consider reporting chatbox filth that crosses the line and might be offensive to others, a fairly rare occurance in my experience. My pet hate is those awful standard avatars, they are severely tilting. There's a simple solution; I've left them permanently switched off for 3 years.
Posted by GaryQQQ

Thanks for this very sound advice Gary, very much appreciated.

I think I'll just give the DYM's a miss from now on and stick to the mtt's which I find much more enjoyable.

JPW33

Ive got to say that the abusive chat really annoys me as I know they would not say it to my face. Maybe I will go miniview as it really annoys me although I try not to let it put me off my game. However this then spoils the enjoyment of having a chat with decent like minded people which is a shame and after all the sky community is one of its strong points. We need to eradicate the abusers and next time I get it I will be reporting them. No doubt I will get abused even more now lol.
As I dont play live (except with mates), do you get abuse at these tables ?

JPW33

In Response to Re: Accused of collusion:

keyboard warriors just love to spout & rant, you're better off noting their names if it's out of order & reporting them to support, they do their best to stamp out any off behaviour & chat bans aren't uncommon
Posted by yoyo

The op did report to support and all they did was they would check him out and if he had not been colluding then he was ok. No mention of bringing the accusser to book ? or have I got this wrong ?

MrJoeBlogs

In Response to Re: Accused of collusion:

In Response to Re: Accused of collusion : The op did report to support and all they did was they would check him out and if he had not been colluding then he was ok. No mention of bringing the accusser to book ? or have I got this wrong ?
Posted by JPW33

Thanks for your comments JPW.

you are right.

mewillows

In Response to Re: Accused of collusion:

In Response to Re: Accused of collusion : The op did report to support and all they did was they would check him out and if he had not been colluding then he was ok. No mention of bringing the accusser to book ? or have I got this wrong ?
Posted by JPW33

So if the accuser is correct, the accused gets punished, but if he is WRONG then accuser gets punished????

If that's what your trying to say then how do you expect any form of policing? People would be too afraid incase they got punished for being wrong. 

donkeyplop

Why would anyone collude in a £1 dym anyway lol!!??

Like cushions on beds, pointless.......................

ficino

Did Pokerstars not stop the dyms at one time ,Due to it being impossible to stop players colluding at the tsble.
Could be wrong??

beaneh

In Response to Re: Accused of collusion:

Did Pokerstars not stop the dyms at one time ,Due to it being impossible to stop players colluding at the tsble. Could be wrong??
Posted by ficino

yes that's right, the format is exceptionally easy to collude in.

MrJoeBlogs

In Response to Re: Accused of collusion:

In Response to Re: Accused of collusion : So if the accuser is correct, the accused gets punished, but if he is WRONG then accuser gets punished???? If that's what your trying to say then how do you expect any form of policing? People would be too afraid incase they got punished for being wrong. 
Posted by mewillows

No that's not how I see it.

If I am going to be accused in public then I would appreciate being cleared in public.

A public apology from the accuser wouldn't go amiss either.