if you limp your wrong and if you raise you wrong

BURNShurtz

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
BURNShurtz	Small blind		25.00	25.00	3030.00
bozzy2112	Big blind		50.00	75.00	3625.00
	Your hole cards	6 6
falsewidow	Fold
Sonsrock	Raise		150.00	225.00	8217.50
lott5616	Call		150.00	375.00	5330.00
__BOURNE__	Fold
BURNShurtz	Raise		225.00	600.00	2805.00
bozzy2112	Fold
Sonsrock	Call		100.00	700.00	8117.50
lott5616	Call		100.00	800.00	5230.00
Flop
		6 7 4
BURNShurtz	Bet		600.00	1400.00	2205.00
Sonsrock	Fold
lott5616	Call		600.00	2000.00	4630.00
Turn
		K
BURNShurtz	Check
lott5616	Bet		1000.00	3000.00	3630.00
BURNShurtz	All-in		2205.00	5205.00	0.00
lott5616	Call		1205.00	6410.00	2425.00
BURNShurtz	Show	6 6
lott5616

i used to limp into pots alot but every told me that its a pretty bad thing to do ( which is correct ) so i obv try to came in with a raise now when i want to play a hand. i put this hand on onother post and was told that it was terrible play? i though i played the hand fine.

Curt360x27

You can't limp as there has already been a raise before you. 

I don't understand why you wouldn't just flat the raise as your deep enough to set mine in a pot which is going multi way? Your 3bet achieves nothing and is just throwing away chips.

profman15

Hi B

To my mind,  its not a great idea to limp especially early doors. However, here you are in sb, vulnerable, and its early. You are looking to set mine here, nothing else so why reraise then not catch and be out 75 chips which isn't putting anyone off? Or catch having driven out weaker hands?
 You want them in the pot because if you catch you most likely have the best hand.

Anyway, you've caught and the flush is a possibility. don't worry, you've still a 20% chance of a FH by the end.
3/4 pot bet is fine as you are betting for value. Mathematically, he doesn't have the pot odds to daw  a card though he may have an overpair and feel he is ahead as you reraised initially which impiled a premium hand. King of spades is horrible for you. He bets out and yes he could be repping the flush with say TT.  He could have two pr even so you have to call.

Remember early doors players play suited connectors a lot even hands like K5s so if the flush comes about they persuade themselves that it's the nuts. Sounds like you just ran into a flush then? Early doors should be renamed the boom or bust period for some TBH. In ne of the dtd T's last night 40+ had gone by the end of this level!!!
 

BURNShurtz

In Response to Re: if you limp your wrong and if you raise you wrong:

Hi B To my mind,  its not a great idea to limp especially early doors. However, here you are in sb, vulnerable, and its early. You are looking to set mine here, nothing else so why reraise then not catch and be out 75 chips which isn't putting anyone off? Or catch having driven out weaker hands?  You want them in the pot because if you catch you most likely have the best hand. Anyway, you've caught and the flush is a possibility. don't worry, you've still a 20% chance of a FH by the end. 3/4 pot bet is fine as you are betting for value. Mathematically, he doesn't have the pot odds to daw  a card though he may have an overpair and feel he is ahead as you reraised initially which impiled a premium hand. King of spades is horrible for you. He bets out and yes he could be repping the flush with say TT.  He could have two pr even so you have to call. Remember early doors players play suited connectors a lot even hands like K5s so if the flush comes about they persuade themselves that it's the nuts. Sounds like you just ran into a flush then? Early doors should be renamed the boom or bust period for some TBH. In ne of the dtd T's last night 40+ had gone by the end of this level!!!  
Posted by profman15

no AQ

BURNShurtz

In Response to Re: if you limp your wrong and if you raise you wrong:

You can't limp as there has already been a raise before you.  I don't understand why you wouldn't just flat the raise as your deep enough to set mine in a pot which is going multi way? Your 3bet achieves nothing and is just throwing away chips.
Posted by Curt360x27

so should play small PPs like this??

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
BURNShurtz	Small blind		15.00	15.00	1985.00
vegasman	Big blind		30.00	45.00	1970.00
	Your hole cards	3 3
HBogart	Raise		120.00	165.00	1880.00
pealead	Fold
barnburner	Call		120.00	285.00	1880.00
rosco1111	Fold
BURNShurtz	Call		105.00	390.00	1880.00
vegasman	Call		90.00	480.00	1880.00
Flop
		3 K 8
BURNShurtz	Check
vegasman	Check
HBogart	Bet		360.00	840.00	1520.00
barnburner	Call		360.00	1200.00	1520.00
BURNShurtz	Raise		720.00	1920.00	1160.00
vegasman	Fold
HBogart	All-in		1520.00	3440.00	0.00
barnburner	All-in		1520.00	4960.00	0.00
BURNShurtz	All-in		1160.00	6120.00	0.00
BURNShurtz	Show	3 3

percival09

you can't say you 'should' play a pp any way

in both hands you've posted, calling is fine. Calling in the first hand > your small 3bet. In cash games and things you can 3bet small pairs in late position dependant on opponents etc..

offshoot

In Response to if you limp your wrong and if you raise you wrong:

i used to limp into pots alot but every told me that its a pretty bad thing to do ( which is correct ) so i obv try to came in with a raise now when i want to play a hand. i put this hand on onother post and was told that it was terrible play? i though i played the hand fine.
Posted by BURNShurtz

Just because someone told you to raise when you enter a pot does not mean thats a good reason, no matter if its the right thing to do or not.

What was the purpose of the raise? If it was to try and push people off their hands you didnt raise big enough. If it was to inflate the pot then you have a hand which isnt gonna flop well very often so probably not a good idea to be putting a lot of chips in preflop.

bearlyther

Dont min 3bet and inflate the pot out of position you can peel here to setmine

profman15

In Response to Re: if you limp your wrong and if you raise you wrong:

In Response to Re: if you limp your wrong and if you raise you wrong : no AQ
Posted by BURNShurtz

 Hi B

So you are telling me he had AQ 0ffsuit and has carried on to bluff you off the pot but then calls your all-in with no fold equity. Well great stuff but you should now blank his name off this hand as well as any others in the future as you are giving info on people who haven't given you permission. No offence but without any reasons from previous pots maybe then his play imo is poor at the end and i don't understand it except that he felt he'd gone far enough and had pot odds to showdown ace high.
As long as you have a reason for a play that's fine. It may not be  deemed correct by some but you should have legitimate reasons for betting /calling/folding etc. You'd be surprised that if you tried to verbalise, during a hand , how many times you would find yourself out.