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Master Cash, Edition 3, Question ONE

Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,670
edited November 2009 in Poker Chat

Tonight, Saturday, is the third edition of Master Cash, Live from the Studio.

We will be looking to read out your e-Mails with varying opinions & views on THREE questions, here's the first.

The e-addy is.... skyopen@bskyb.com

It's a Heads-Up Cash Game, we have £200 behind, Villain has slightly less.

Our hand is 8h, 3h, & we have the Button. We raise to £6. Villain, naturally, Calls.

Flop = 9h 7s 2c

Villain checks to us.

Do we.....

a) Bet £4

b) Bet £8

c) Bet £12

d) Check

And WHY?

Vote now, please, & Post "why". We will try & read out the most interesting replies Live on air tonight, in Master Cash, between 8pm & 11pm.
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  • Grimstar30Grimstar30 Member Posts: 1,400
    edited November 2009
    check, get a free card, hope it is one that give u the OESD or the flush draw and then take it from there on the turn. 

    Also why has the V checked? to me is suggests strength on that flop (a set / straight draw) or he has missed completely. if you miss the card you want to see on the turn, you can quietly let this hand go to a bet of any substance. 50% of pot or more.

    Thats my way of thinking :) and I mean MY way, not even applying anything but GLUM theory of poker here ;)

    Glum
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2009


    I'd play it as though I was holding pocket aces, so bet 3/4 of the pot. If I get called I slow down, if I get raised, I make a re raise. If the re raise gets raised, I admit defeat.

    DOHH
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  • Grimstar30Grimstar30 Member Posts: 1,400
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Master Cash, Edition 3, Question ONE:
    I'd play it as though I was holding pocket aces, so bet 3/4 of the pot. If I get called I slow down, if I get raised, I make a re raise. If the re raise gets raised, I admit defeat. DOHH
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Dohhh am I right in saying that there is a school of thought, that in  live poker if you want to bluff well, you have to visualise you are holding pocket aces, and play your any 2 cards that way no matter what
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited November 2009
    I bet £8, in the hope that he folds...

    If he reraises im out of there, if he flats, the turn card might bring a flush or str8 draw so it would give me licence to fire a second barrel. (or possibly take a free card)

    £12 is a little too much to bet imo and if the turn is not healthy, ive lost an extra £4 i could have kept.

    Betting £4 is just odd, you may as well check...
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  • phil12ukphil12uk Member Posts: 2,856
    edited November 2009
    Standard 3 quarters pot c bet here.
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  • Kiwini4uKiwini4u Member Posts: 3,830
    edited November 2009
    I would bet £8. 

    The chances are that the Villain hasn't hit the flop any more than we have and therefore by putting in a bet there is a chance that we can take the hand down there and then.  £4 would probably not be enough to get the other player off the hand and £12 he might read as a weak hand on our part.

    Should he call or reraise we can then get away from the hand relatively cheaply.
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  • Grimstar30Grimstar30 Member Posts: 1,400
    edited November 2009
    This is why I am terrible at poker....


    *creating image for Luton here ppl lol
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  • apollo_11apollo_11 Member Posts: 969
    edited November 2009
    I would put an £8.00 continuation bet in.
    If villain then re-raises I can get out of the hand.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited November 2009


    re. grimstar....

    Well I'm not sure about playing live, I dont do it. But playing cash online especially heads up iyou've gotta be aggressive. Well I think I have. Imagining i'm holding pocket aces/the nuts, makes it easier to make correct, believable, bet sizes and makes the bluff more likely to get through. I make the third raise if it gets that far to get the bloke off an 8. Playing HU with a £200 stack he must be a decent player so i'm not dealing with a top pair donk.

    Gimmie position over top pair anyday!

    Its an implied play, as if he re re re raises me, probably all in at this point, I have to lay the hand down. Next time, when i DO hold the nuts, I play it exactly the same way and this fella now thinks top pair is always good, so he pays me!

    DOHH

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  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 169,670
    edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Master Cash, Edition 3, Question ONE:
    re. grimstar.... Well I'm not sure about playing live, I dont do it. But playing cash online especially heads up iyou've gotta be aggressive. Well I think I have. Imagining i'm holding pocket aces/the nuts, makes it easier to make correct, believable, bet sizes and makes the bluff more likely to get through. I make the third raise if it gets that far to get the bloke off an 8. Playing HU with a £200 stack he must be a decent player so i'm not dealing with a top pair donk. Gimmie position over top pair anyday! Its an implied play, as if he re re re raises me, probably all in at this point, I have to lay the hand down. Next time, when i DO hold the nuts, I play it exactly the same way and this fella now thinks top pair is always good, so he pays me! DOHH
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    That's a real gem, & why these "Quizzes" are so good for so many of us.

    That line is sure to be read out tonight, it's a purler.

    If you have a view on it, Post it please - this might run & run. Position is SO important, & in H-U, it's monumental.
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  • labrat64labrat64 Member Posts: 987
    edited November 2009
    I'm betting £8 into the pot, i've got position and if he's hit and reraises then i'm folding without losing too much. I can't give him a free card in case he hits and goes ahead.
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  • JAEGERBOMBJAEGERBOMB Member Posts: 1,516
    edited November 2009
    I agree with Phil, standard 3/4 pot C-bet. so hard to make these decsions without player knowledge/history.
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited November 2009
    Standard 3/4 PB.
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  • scrumdownscrumdown Member Posts: 1,609
    edited November 2009
    i would bet 8 see what he does if he raises am out
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  • mr_mbromr_mbro Member Posts: 1,152
    edited November 2009
    Hi guys,
    I would throw out a bet of £8, why well as i was the initial raiser, and heads up is all about aggression and momentum, i definitely do not want to give him a free card. if i get any resistance then i can reassess the situation.

    col
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  • namesb0ndnamesb0nd Member Posts: 402
    edited November 2009
    bet £8,heads up is all about aggression after all.
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  • sophiesmumsophiesmum Member Posts: 259
    edited November 2009
    Being naturally ultra cautious I would never have raised in the first place - are you allowed to say that.  But if I had raised then I would put in the £8 continuation bet.

    Jan x
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  • loonytoonsloonytoons Member Posts: 4,270
    edited November 2009
    Im far from an expert so take my reasoning with a pinch of salt peeps, but i would bet £12. My reasoning is ive put a raise in pre flop hoping for a fold. Ive had a call and the flop is really poor, the odds of them calling a £6 raise with trash are remote so you have to put them on either a small pair or rag aces or JQ alike. After the flop if they had small pair or hit a pair with the rags id expect them to put out a feeler bet, they didnt so you have to think they have missed. The reason im saying £12 and not £8 is that i dont want to let them feel they can fish for cards, if they come over the top so be it, get out of there, more often than not they will fold IMO. If this is complete rubbish please tell me tikay lol i wont be offended i dont normally reply on strategy threads because im usually wrong lol
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  • 35suited35suited Member Posts: 2,332
    edited November 2009
    Im betting the pot here, dont think there that much difference between 8 and 12 in this situation, I just like to do pot size bets once ive missed the flop and am in positition
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  • SolarCarroSolarCarro Member Posts: 2,273
    edited November 2009
    I bet c bet £8

    I fold to any re-raise, I am hoping to take the pot down here.

    Dave
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