I am all for debate...in fact many an evening I spend having a mass debate. Anyway...Please can you explain how in a MTT which always have top heavy payouts someone gains advantage by sitting out? Posted by MattBates
PMSL! [just spat a little bit of coffee at the screen]
I would say it's not unsporting to sit out but it creates a dynamic when someone does sit out though, lots of steals and re steals.
But I think anyone with a brain would not sit out towards a final table, even if they were massive chip leader - I mean cmon you gotta be a bit stoopid to do that and think it's an advantage.
Gotta say though sitting out and then sitting back in when someone tries to steal and then jamming on them is so lol Like a reverse double bluff )
I am all for debate...in fact many an evening I spend having a mass debate. Anyway...Please can you explain how in a MTT which always have top heavy payouts someone gains advantage by sitting out? Posted by MattBates
the advantage can come when you hit the final table and sat 5th/6th with a reasonable stack 20/30 blinds, while other players get knocked out around you..thats 120 hands of poker b4 you run out of chips, meanwhile others are getting knocked out around you in creasing your prize place without doing anything.
so answear to your question larry. No one agrees Posted by shaun09
it would be a very sad post if everyone agreed.... it's more about peoples views, their take on a given situation and how they deal with it...and the responses have been great.. :-)
In Response to Re: Sitting out...it's unsporting!!! : the advantage can come when you hit the final table and sat 5th/6th with a reasonable stack 20/30 blinds, while other players get knocked out around you..thats 120 hands of poker b4 you run out of chips, meanwhile others are getting knocked out around you in creasing your prize place without doing anything. Posted by larry1959
The idea is afterall to win as much money as possible
Its the same difference if he continually clicks fold as it is if he sits out.
In Response to Re: Sitting out...it's unsporting!!! : the advantage can come when you hit the final table and sat 5th/6th with a reasonable stack 20/30 blinds, while other players get knocked out around you..thats 120 hands of poker b4 you run out of chips, meanwhile others are getting knocked out around you in creasing your prize place without doing anything. Posted by larry1959
Larry, what about people that are present, but are folding every single hand?
In Response to Re: Sitting out...it's unsporting!!! : Larry, what about people that are present, but are folding every single hand? Posted by DOHHHHHHH
I not seen it on a FT and if I did be very happy as the blinds are too heavy. I had it myself the other week at a final table and my internet died very frustrating, so you would someone punished because they lost connection?
It was a major advantage for the other players as by the time I was able to drive to somewhere wher I could use the net the blinds had killed any chance for me
like you said ...it would be a boring world if everyone agreed. Too true. I got to the FT of the forum special and one player either sat out or got disconnected. As it is a league it was a strategy that would help him to get to the final on sunday as he'd had one good result and it was best two scores.
So yes it did alter the dynamiic of the table but he was a big stack compared to me so i couldn't wait for him to blind out as i would before him. Yes people are raising when he's the big blind in order to steal but that can go pear-shaped very easily. Yes the sb and button has an advantage but poker really is a matter of adapting to the conditions. And this is just one more condition to adapt to. Would you believe i actually bubbled and the player, Maxally, who had in fact just lost his connection, blinded out in third for a cash. TBH, his stack could have got him the win and i'm sure he'd have preferred to be playing.
Personally, i was happy with my play as i tried to take advantage of the away player in some pots but i did have a hand too. You see i tried to put pressure on just as a big stack playing on the cash bubble versus equal stackswith one AWAY would pressure the playing one as he can cash by the away player blinding out. it's a matter of considering the options and making a plan that's best for you. It's an interesting post but it seems that the consensus is 'it's just one of those things and we must all adapt" All the best for xmas m8.
In Response to Re: Sitting out...it's unsporting!!! : it would be a very sad post if everyone agreed.... it's more about peoples views, their take on a given situation and how they deal with it...and the responses have been great.. :-) Posted by larry1959
I really think that players who make final tables through sitting out sucks. If they make the final table and insist in sitting out for more than 10 hands they should be forced all in on every hand thereafter. It is unfair and unsporting to play in this fashion while everyone else is pitting their skills to win the tournament... CAN WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT SKY???? you don't allow it on the cash tables..so why can't you use the same program to remove the player from the final table.... it is frustrating for all concerned at the final table, as I am sure many will agree!!!! Posted by larry1959
O Sorry larry i was replying to your comment......
it would be a boring thread if everyone agrees with you... but in this case not even 1 person agrees lol.. every player is well within their right to sit out at any stage!! no deception or cheating, its just part of the game!
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But I think anyone with a brain would not sit out towards a final table, even if they were massive chip leader - I mean cmon you gotta be a bit stoopid to do that and think it's an advantage.
Gotta say though sitting out and then sitting back in when someone tries to steal and then jamming on them is so lol
Like a reverse double bluff )
the advantage can come when you hit the final table and sat 5th/6th with a reasonable stack 20/30 blinds, while other players get knocked out around you..thats 120 hands of poker b4 you run out of chips, meanwhile others are getting knocked out around you in creasing your prize place without doing anything.
Its the same difference if he continually clicks fold as it is if he sits out.
Laddering FTW
like you said ...it would be a boring world if everyone agreed. Too true. I got to the FT of the forum special and one player either sat out or got disconnected. As it is a league it was a strategy that would help him to get to the final on sunday as he'd had one good result and it was best two scores.
So yes it did alter the dynamiic of the table but he was a big stack compared to me so i couldn't wait for him to blind out as i would before him. Yes people are raising when he's the big blind in order to steal but that can go pear-shaped very easily. Yes the sb and button has an advantage but poker really is a matter of adapting to the conditions. And this is just one more condition to adapt to. Would you believe i actually bubbled and the player, Maxally, who had in fact just lost his connection, blinded out in third for a cash. TBH, his stack could have got him the win and i'm sure he'd have preferred to be playing.
Personally, i was happy with my play as i tried to take advantage of the away player in some pots but i did have a hand too. You see i tried to put pressure on just as a big stack playing on the cash bubble versus equal stackswith one AWAY would pressure the playing one as he can cash by the away player blinding out. it's a matter of considering the options and making a plan that's best for you.
It's an interesting post but it seems that the consensus is 'it's just one of those things and we must all adapt"
All the best for xmas m8.
Larry let's say you FT and you have to leave the game for an emergency or your internet/wifi died - what would you like to happen ?
cmon be serious now..