NL4 AJ flop TPTK + NFD. Is this standard?

jugglegeek

No reads on players. Pre is a little wierd because I would normally raise bigger from UTG but I almost timed out so just clicked buttons. Calling the 3-bet is just "lol pot odds" but what about on the flop? It's NL4 so I assume I have almost no fold equity vs two opponents. Is it still a shove?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
krzysz1983	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£5.60
Inherkhau	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£0.03
	Your hole cards	A J
jugglegeek	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£4.01
TONTOB	Fold
tarnished	Call		£0.12	£0.30	£5.85
krzysz1983	Raise		£0.18	£0.48	£5.42
Inherkhau	All-in		£0.03	£0.51	£0.00
jugglegeek	Call		£0.08	£0.59	£3.93
tarnished	Call		£0.08	£0.67	£5.77
Flop
		J 5 4
krzysz1983	Bet		£0.04	£0.71	£5.38
jugglegeek	Raise		£0.60	£1.31	£3.33
tarnished	Call		£0.60	£1.91	£5.17
krzysz1983	Raise		£1.12	£3.03	£4.26
jugglegeek	All-in		£3.33	£6.36	£0.00

NOTB

It was one of the options, but IMO, there may have been a better option.

Your cards:

• you had the highest pair on the board
• you had the nut flush if another diamond dropped reasonable odds with 2 cards

Their cards

• tarnish is showing strength too. I think he has a middle pair. He may also have a potential flush at this stage.
• kryzys1983 is being agressive and telling you that he has a very good hand. I suspect a big pair. Again maybe a potential flush now. 

Your options:

• Fold - I don't think so, not with that hand, at least not yet, even against a big pair
• Call - get you to the next card - leaves you with some cash if it all goes wrong
• Raise - I think kryzys1983 would have re-raised whatever and you would have ended up going all in, but you would have lost the initiative - i don't think you should have raised. 
• All In - not a bad one, forces the others to have a serious think and tells them you have a strong hand.

I'd have raised here I think, if I had time to do this analysis in the 10 seconds you get in the game...

I'm interested to see what happened next now.

Curt360x27

Just look to GII on the flop.

jugglegeek

This is what happened. Obv I felt good for winning a huge pot but I felt a bit dirty about the way it happened.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
krzysz1983	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£5.60
Inherkhau	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£0.03
	Your hole cards	A J
jugglegeek	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£4.01
TONTOB	Fold
tarnished	Call		£0.12	£0.30	£5.85
krzysz1983	Raise		£0.18	£0.48	£5.42
Inherkhau	All-in		£0.03	£0.51	£0.00
jugglegeek	Call		£0.08	£0.59	£3.93
tarnished	Call		£0.08	£0.67	£5.77
Flop
		J 5 4
krzysz1983	Bet		£0.04	£0.71	£5.38
jugglegeek	Raise		£0.60	£1.31	£3.33
tarnished	Call		£0.60	£1.91	£5.17
krzysz1983	Raise		£1.12	£3.03	£4.26
jugglegeek	All-in		£3.33	£6.36	£0.00
tarnished	Call		£3.33	£9.69	£1.84
krzysz1983	Call		£2.77	£12.46	£1.49
Turn
		9
krzysz1983	Check
tarnished	All-in		£1.84	£14.30	£0.00
krzysz1983	All-in		£1.49	£15.79	£0.00
tarnished	Unmatched bet		£0.35	£15.44	£0.35
krzysz1983	Show	K K
Inherkhau	Show	7 6
jugglegeek	Show	A J
tarnished	Show	8 Q
River
		9
jugglegeek	Win	Flush to the Ace	£11.52		£11.52
krzysz1983	Win	Flush to the King	£2.76		£2.76

rancid

flip it to win it

beaneh

"lol pot odds" 

correct good call.

but what about on the flop? It's NL4 so I assume I have almost no fold equity vs two opponents. Is it still a shove?

no fold equity no, esp since one has AA or KK, but you have enough pot equity w/ tp and nfd to get it in imo.

rancid

In Response to Re: NL4 AJ flop TPTK + NFD. Is this standard?:

its a shove all day long   tptk with nut draw lol im happy getting it in here 200 bb deep let alone 100
Posted by IDONKCALLU

Would you flip for 300bb ?

samboram45

In Response to Re: NL4 AJ flop TPTK + NFD. Is this standard?:

yeah i would any ace is good and jack aswell as any diamond worst case scenario your up against a set and your about 38 per cent to win the hand
Posted by IDONKCALLU

nt necesarilly villain ma hve flopped flush

DrSharp

Aye, all in from me jungle.