How to play AK post flop oop?

RyanC7

I have been playing loose aggressive, not much info on opponent, know hes a reg but no other info. 

i start hand with 400bb and he 91bb.

my question is should i be 4 betting oop with AK - i dont want to play oop against 2 opponents so my instant thinking is to try and get it in pre. But when ever i do this i think im only up against QQ+ ? maybe jacks, i doubt he is ever 5bet shoving AQs or worse. So i can only be 50/50 against Qs crushed against aa/kk and splitting with ak ?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
launder	Small blind		£0.50	£0.50	£95.75
RyanC7	Big blind		£1.00	£1.50	£400.52
	Your hole cards	K A
corbett04	Raise		£3.00	£4.50	£219.76
eagle05	Raise		£9.00	£13.50	£91.00
launder	Fold
RyanC7	Raise		£21.00	£34.50	£379.52
corbett04	Fold
eagle05	All-in		£91.00	£125.50	£0.00
RyanC7	Call		£78.00	£203.50	£301.52
RyanC7	Show	K A
eagle05	Show	K K
Flop
		2 Q 2
Turn
		7
River
		7
eagle05	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 7s	£201.70		£201.70

larry1959

In Response to How to play AK post flop oop?:

I have been playing loose aggressive, not much info on opponent, know hes a reg but no other info.  i start hand with 400bb and he 91bb. my question is should i be 4 betting oop with AK - i dont want to play oop against 2 opponents so my instant thinking is to try and get it in pre. But when ever i do this i think im only up against QQ+ ? maybe jacks, i doubt he is ever 5bet shoving AQs or worse. So i can only be 50/50 against Qs crushed against aa/kk and splitting with ak ?
Posted by RyanC7

If you've been playing loose/aggressive...I'd be shoving at you with a premium hand too, knowing you will call. Suggest you tighten your game, 2 raises before you? why not just flat call the re-raise, you may have saved your self some money instead of re-raising the re-raise. I love Loose/aggressive players... they're to quick to call/raise and although win lots of small pots, can be easily fleeced with a premium hand....bottom line here is I think your play was overly aggressive.. and with a loose rep on the table got what you asked for..

RyanC7

In Response to Re: How to play AK post flop oop?:

In Response to How to play AK post flop oop? : If you've been playing loose/aggressive...I'd be shoving at you with a premium hand too, knowing you will call. Suggest you tighten your game, 2 raises before you? why not just flat call the re-raise, you may have saved your self some money instead of re-raising the re-raise. I love Loose/aggressive players... they're to quick to call/raise and although win lots of small pots, can be easily fleeced with a premium hand....bottom line here is I think your play was overly aggressive.. and with a loose rep on the table got what you asked for..
Posted by larry1959

surely if im overly aggressive this would work in my favour as opponents would have a wider range?

But yeah im not sure if flatting is the right play out of the bb to a button 3bet a reg is capable doing this very wide range?

liamboi11

I like the way you have played this hand just ul to walk into a big hand.(imo)

if you say your image is very laggy then this is a great spot imo.

but dont think i`m ever folding ak pre flop after I have 4bet im wanting to get it in unless a have specific reads that the player is super nitty.

but yeah to answer your question if opponent just 3bets wae aa/kk/qq just fold to the 3bet but if he has much wider range and been payin attention to way your playing at the table 4bet get it in.

RyanC7

In Response to Re: How to play AK post flop oop?:

In Response to How to play AK post flop oop? : If you've been playing loose/aggressive...I'd be shoving at you with a premium hand too, knowing you will call. Suggest you tighten your game, 2 raises before you? why not just flat call the re-raise, you may have saved your self some money instead of re-raising the re-raise. I love Loose/aggressive players... they're to quick to call/raise and although win lots of small pots, can be easily fleeced with a premium hand....bottom line here is I think your play was overly aggressive.. and with a loose rep on the table got what you asked for..
Posted by larry1959

and i love tight/passive players.. fancy a game lol

grantorino

100 deep with a laggy image 4b/c is fine imo, esp if they think you are capable of squeezing light here. I would prefer more info on button though. If hes decent though his 3bet range should be wide enough to make 4b/c fine. Calling ok too, but if opener comes alog you are oop 220bb deep v two villains

Also you are not crushed v KK

percival09

played fine

his 3betting range is prob wide enough on the btn vs a co open so 3betting is good and you obv have to snap his shove

GELDY

against a small stack but oop - just another reason to get it aipf, subject to the above caveats of course

Curt360x27

In Response to Re: How to play AK post flop oop?:

played fine his 3betting range is prob wide enough on the btn vs a co open so 3betting is good and you obv have to snap his shove
Posted by percival09

This is the key.

This would be my view without knowing the reg in question.

If the players have been paying attention to how you have been playing then they could easily 5bet shove there 3bet bluff range vs you plus AQ,77+ knowing you can have a wide 4bet range in this spot.

jugglegeek

Easy 4bet-call. well played, bad luck, like your bet sizing too. 3bet from the button vs the CO open is very standard and will certainly be a light 3-bet much of the time. If you have an agro image then there's nothing to stop either player putting you on a bluff or thinking that AQ is good, your small 4-bet gives them the illusion of fold equity. Also, in general a cold 4-bet looks strong so there is also nothing to stop a player nitting up and folding a big pair like jacks here. Depending on the type of players you are facing they could reasonably 5-bet with worse or fold with better.

On top of all this you aren't in terrible shape even when he tables KK. As you probably know you are 30% to win the hand.

Over time when you face a 3-bet you probably lose money. Only the very best players are making a profit when they face a 3-bet. The trick in these spots is to lose the minimum. If you fold to all 3bets then you are losing 3BB/hand. If you can break even in these spots you are doing pretty well. I think the way you played the hand is the least -ev way to do it.

WHOAMI196

eagle05, lol , fold, hes nl50 reg, he is not going to be 3-betting wide at nl100

4 bet is ok, getting it in is terrible knowing the player

percival09

yeah take names out of op

and results

grantorino

In Response to Re: How to play AK post flop oop?:

eagle05, lol , fold, hes nl50 reg, he is not going to be 3-betting wide at nl100 4 bet is ok, getting it in is terrible knowing the player
Posted by WHOAMI196

So we are 4b/f AK 100BB deep now? Needs a pretty specific read imo, which op clearly doesnt have. Its not going to be good v most regs imo, as most will either 5b or fold

WHOAMI196

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In Response to Re: How to play AK post flop oop? : So we are 4b/f AK 100BB deep now? Needs a pretty specific read imo, which op clearly doesnt have. Its not going to be good v most regs imo, as most will either 5b or fold
Posted by grantorino

YES, sometimes there is no good decision in-certain spots, vs eagle here i am 4-betting hoping to be called or get a fold, not to get a race pre flop (in fact i would not be a race as his all in range crushes AKoff, vs me mind, he may play differently vs others, also my thought process refers to  tight players)

so although i hate it i would 4-bet fold here, calling his 3 bet is not out of the window its not great but its better to play a wide 3 betting range and ak would fair well vs opener and 3-bettor if it went 3 way, but i still like 4-betting, 4-bet to get folds/calls vs tight guys.

AK gets overplayed a lot, all in vs a wider range including AQ, jj, 1010, we are still a 60/40 dog, but you should still be happy to get it all in, but not when it is a obvious "cooler"

rancid

All depends on what you think oppo is 3 betting the btn with doesn't it

jugglegeek

Just done an ev calculation for calling the shove (after the 4bet) and vs AK/QQ+ its +96p (you have 38.8% equity vs this range). Which when you consider you are paying 90p rake on this hand it means that it's pretty much break even.

If you take AK out of his range your equity drops from 39% to 31% and so the expected value is -£15.12. Making it JJ+ gives you 35% equity and is still -ev at -£6.78. If you increase his range to JJ+/AQ+ then you are 50% equity making the ev calculation +£23.95.

So you have to work out from your reads what you think he 5bet shoves with. If it's ever AQ then it's a snap call. If it's only AK/QQ+ then it's probably a fold and if it's only ever QQ+ then it's a snap fold.

Ev calculations that I've used:

ev: (size of pot(£125.50) x equity) - (cost to call (£78) x villian's equity)

offshoot

fold pre