In Response to Re: SKY POKER SOFTWARE and Sharkscope : The problem that i highlighted in blue italics....... By using the fb name combined with the sky alias and the location shown,..... anyones address can be searched and found. Posted by billyboots
In Response to Re: SKY POKER SOFTWARE and Sharkscope : No wonder you lot are from Area51 Posted by POKERTREV
Interesting thread? From a legal perspective I think there are two basic issues that need to be thrashed out. . .
Firstly, one of jurisdiction. As Sharkscope.com isn't a legal entity based in the UK, if you did wish to take out a legal beef with them, to which court and under which country's legal framework would you present it? - a problem with litigating against any party that operates solely online.
Secondly, as for the DPA in all of the time I've done work on it (since it originally game in), the the scope of the Act related solely to personal information relating to living individuals - or another angle would be whether information that was being presented could be used to identify an individual to which it relates. Clearly with Sharkscope.com this isn't the case, as all they publish (and have access to) are player IDs? As SkyPoker don't actively pass personal details of customers to third parties I think any complaint made against them to the Information Commissioner simply wouldn't go anywhere. Just my opinion though.
As for the DPA in general, despite a degree of reactive policing of the Act (by the Office of the Information Commissioner, ie they respond to complaints) there are times when it's clear it isn't worth the paper it's written on, ie where commercial organisations pass on personal information on customers to other parties without the subjects' express consent. One example that comes to mind are the details of insurance claimants being passed to ambulance chasing solicitors practices by insurance companies. Permission to do so, or not, is of course all in the small print.
I use to post in Area 51, but all of the aliens who use to lurk there have now been deported.
In Response to Re: SKY POKER SOFTWARE and Sharkscope : No wonder you lot are from Area51 Posted by POKERTREV
Trev,.....I was only trying to highlight that we are placing our real names and our sky alias in the same comment box in an 'open' media page being run by sky poker......and as Tommy has already said and i wholeheartedly agree with his comment....we don't have to do it and we all have choices.......I was just pointing out the fact for 'whoever' might be concerned about keeping their identity private, that this is an area that they need to be aware of .
It's this part of your statement ie: ("The information that Sky show, and the fact that you are shown on the site as an alias, means they are not contravening the data protection act.") which holds true on 'this sky forum'....... but is incorrect (imho) wrt the sky fb page, purely bcoz anyone can view it if they wish to........no malice intended just my observation and making others aware if they are concerned about their privacy wrt to using sky fb comp's.....that is all I was trying to achieve ......Happy New Year to both yourself & Tommy ....hope it's a good one.......Billy
In Response to Re: SKY POKER SOFTWARE and Sharkscope : Trev,.....I was only trying to highlight that we are placing our real names and our sky alias in the same comment box in an 'open' media page being run by sky poker......and as Tommy has already said and i wholeheartedly agree with his comment....we don't have to do it and we all have choices.......I was just pointing out the fact for 'whoever' might be concerned about keeping their identity private, that this is an area that they need to be aware of . It's this part of your statement ie: (" The information that Sky show, and the fact that you are shown on the site as an alias , means they are not contravening the data protection act.") which holds true on ' this sky forum'....... but is incorrect (imho) wrt the sky fb page, purely bcoz anyone can view it if they wish to........no malice intended just my observation and making others aware if they are concerned about their privacy wrt to using sky fb comp's.....that is all I was trying to achieve ......Happy New Year to both yourself & Tommy ....hope it's a good one.......Billy Posted by billyboots
billyboots
surely Sky cannot be held responsible for info that individuals post on a publicly viewed site(fb).
It is the individual who posts who makes the info public.
Just as I could not hold them responsible if I posted my bank details on here.
In Response to Re: SKY POKER SOFTWARE and Sharkscope : billyboots surely Sky cannot be held responsible for info that individuals post on a publicly viewed site(fb). It is the individual who posts who makes the info public. Just as I could not hold them responsible if I posted my bank details on here. (No I won't, before anyone asks) Posted by dragon1964
Sigh!.....I will state it again.........."I was just pointing out the fact for 'whoever' might be concerned about keeping their identity private, that this is an area that they need to be aware of "
1)....If sky fb competitions ask for your alias
2) and your fb name is genuinely your name
3) and you are concerned about your privacy
Then please be aware that this is an area that is open to the general public as opposed to the forum on here, which isn't open to the general public and therefore, private..........I am merely trying to highlight a statement that pokertrev made in an earlier post ....ie: what trevor said re: holds true on this forum but not necessarily on fb. I have already stated and agreed with Tommy re: if you have concerns about your privacy then don't enter the fb competitions that require giving your alias......it's that simple.
In Response to Re: SKY POKER SOFTWARE and Sharkscope : Sigh!.....I will state it again.........." I was just pointing out the fact for 'whoever' might be concerned about keeping their identity private, that this is an area that they need to be aware of " 1).... If sky fb competitions ask for your alias 2) and your fb name is genuinely your name 3) and you are concerned about your privacy Then please be aware that this is an area that is open to the general public as opposed to the forum on here, which isn't open to the general public and therefore, private..........I am merely trying to highlight a statement that pokertrev made in an earlier post ....ie: what trevor said re: holds true on this forum but not necessarily on fb. I have already stated and agreed with Tommy re: if you have concerns about your privacy then don't enter the fb competitions that require giving your alias......it's that simple. Posted by billyboots
Hi Billyboots. I was only jesting of course that all the folk from Area51 are Sceptical of everything.
I do understand your concerns reference "Marrying Up" facebook names with Alias's though.
Personally I don't do facebook, but I do use Twitter and as I was using Twitter for the purposes of others following my sky poker exploits. I signed up to Twitter as "@Pokertrev" rather than using my real name, so I do not have any concerns.
I would suggest though that anyone who enters Sky Poker or any other competitions via Facebook or Twitter etc, doesn't use an account with their real name and then divulge their alias. Set up a new account using the same or similar Alias to your online poker name.
Its really simple to do and that way you are not unintentionally giving out any personal information.
It goes without saying that Sky are not responsible for information which we ourselves have personally made public via the likes of our Facebook or Twitter accounts etc when entering competitions.
We also have an obigation to ourselves to protect our own sensitive data and identity and how it could be used by others. Social networking sites are not the best form of doing this imo which is one of a long list of reasons I do not use facebook, but as long as people are aware of the risks then each to their own I suppose. Just be careful out there.
I am happy with Sky's terms & conditions & policies regarding "Data Protection" and know that the personal data & information they hold regarding my account is secure. I don't hold the same confidence with social networking sites, but that is just my own personal opinion.
In Response to Re: SKY POKER SOFTWARE and Sharkscope : Sigh!.....I will state it again.........." I was just pointing out the fact for 'whoever' might be concerned about keeping their identity private, that this is an area that they need to be aware of " 1).... If sky fb competitions ask for your alias 2) and your fb name is genuinely your name 3) and you are concerned about your privacy Then please be aware that this is an area that is open to the general public as opposed to the forum on here, which isn't open to the general public and therefore, private..........I am merely trying to highlight a statement that pokertrev made in an earlier post ....ie: what trevor said re: holds true on this forum but not necessarily on fb. I have already stated and agreed with Tommy re: if you have concerns about your privacy then don't enter the fb competitions that require giving your alias......it's that simple. Posted by billyboots
Hi billyboots
sorry if i misinterpreted what you meant.
I agree with your last post, above.
I was referring to the part about the Data Protection Act and fb and when you wrote"in my opinion".
In Response to Re: SKY POKER SOFTWARE and Sharkscope : Hi Billyboots. I would suggest though that anyone who enters Sky Poker or any other competitions via Facebook or Twitter etc, doesn't use an account with their real name and then divulge their alias. Set up a new account using the same or similar. Posted by POKERTREV
That's a breach of Facebook rules Trev, you have to use your real name. See here;
In case that link is forbidden and removed here is a copy/paste from Facebook's rules;
Why doesn’t Facebook allow fake names?
Facebook is a community where people connect and share using their real identities. When everyone uses their real first and last names, people can know who they're connecting with. This helps keep our community safe.
We take the safety of our community very seriously. That's why we remove fake accounts from the site as we find them.
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I am happy with Sky's terms & conditions & policies regarding "Data Protection" and know that the personal data & information they hold regarding my account is secure. I don't hold the same confidence with social networking sites, but that is just my own personal opinion. Posted by POKERTREV
Couple of queries Trev, how do you know the highlighted sentence?
And you doubt that Facebook, with over a billion members, is more secure than SKY with possibly 20 odd 000!!
Same question was raised recently and don't think it was answerred, so maybe you can enlighten me????
Tbh, I find it difficult for anybody to say any online site is safe lol. Facebook especially. Everything we do is monitored, and we don't even know who by. Including any personal details other than your name on fb is kinda stupid imo. Wasn't there some kind of legislation passed recently where the government have access to anything we send on facebook/texts/ANYTHING can be tracked by them? No matter how private we intended that message to be? Not so much of a free society after all. Kinda off topic I know, but I need my nightly rant. Can somebody start a thread on hating banks so I can join in pls kbye
Tbh, I find it difficult for anybody to say any online site is safe lol. Facebook especially. Everything we do is monitored, and we don't even know who by. Including any personal details other than your name on fb is kinda stupid imo. Wasn't there some kind of legislation passed recently where the government have access to anything we send on facebook/texts/ANYTHING can be tracked by them? No matter how privately we intended that message to be? Not so much of a free society after all. Kinda off topic I know, but I need my nightly rant. Can somebody start a thread on hating banks so I can join in pls kbye Posted by percival09
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Firstly, one of jurisdiction. As Sharkscope.com isn't a legal entity based in the UK, if you did wish to take out a legal beef with them, to which court and under which country's legal framework would you present it? - a problem with litigating against any party that operates solely online.
Secondly, as for the DPA in all of the time I've done work on it (since it originally game in), the the scope of the Act related solely to personal information relating to living individuals - or another angle would be whether information that was being presented could be used to identify an individual to which it relates. Clearly with Sharkscope.com this isn't the case, as all they publish (and have access to) are player IDs? As SkyPoker don't actively pass personal details of customers to third parties I think any complaint made against them to the Information Commissioner simply wouldn't go anywhere. Just my opinion though.
As for the DPA in general, despite a degree of reactive policing of the Act (by the Office of the Information Commissioner, ie they respond to complaints) there are times when it's clear it isn't worth the paper it's written on, ie where commercial organisations pass on personal information on customers to other parties without the subjects' express consent. One example that comes to mind are the details of insurance claimants being passed to ambulance chasing solicitors practices by insurance companies. Permission to do so, or not, is of course all in the small print.
I use to post in Area 51, but all of the aliens who use to lurk there have now been deported.
It's this part of your statement ie: ("The information that Sky show, and the fact that you are shown on the site as an alias, means they are not contravening the data protection act.")
which holds true on 'this sky forum'....... but is incorrect (imho) wrt the sky fb page, purely bcoz anyone can view it if they wish to........no malice intended just my observation and making others aware if they are concerned about their privacy wrt to using sky fb comp's.....that is all I was trying to achieve ......Happy New Year to both yourself & Tommy ....hope it's a good one.......Billy
1)....If sky fb competitions ask for your alias
2) and your fb name is genuinely your name
3) and you are concerned about your privacy
Then please be aware that this is an area that is open to the general public as opposed to the forum on here, which isn't open to the general public and therefore, private..........I am merely trying to highlight a statement that pokertrev made in an earlier post ....ie: what trevor said re: holds true on this forum but not necessarily on fb. I have already stated and agreed with Tommy re: if you have concerns about your privacy then don't enter the fb competitions that require giving your alias......it's that simple.
I was only jesting of course that all the folk from Area51 are Sceptical of everything.
I do understand your concerns reference "Marrying Up" facebook names with Alias's though.
Personally I don't do facebook, but I do use Twitter and as I was using Twitter for the purposes of others following my sky poker exploits. I signed up to Twitter as "@Pokertrev" rather than using my real name, so I do not have any concerns.
I would suggest though that anyone who enters Sky Poker or any other competitions via Facebook or Twitter etc, doesn't use an account with their real name and then divulge their alias. Set up a new account using the same or similar Alias to your online poker name.
Its really simple to do and that way you are not unintentionally giving out any personal information.
It goes without saying that Sky are not responsible for information which we ourselves have personally made public via the likes of our Facebook or Twitter accounts etc when entering competitions.
We also have an obigation to ourselves to protect our own sensitive data and identity and how it could be used by others. Social networking sites are not the best form of doing this imo which is one of a long list of reasons I do not use facebook, but as long as people are aware of the risks then each to their own I suppose. Just be careful out there.
I am happy with Sky's terms & conditions & policies regarding "Data Protection" and know that the personal data & information they hold regarding my account is secure. I don't hold the same confidence with social networking sites, but that is just my own personal opinion.
https://www.facebook.com/help/249092175207621/
In case that link is forbidden and removed here is a copy/paste from Facebook's rules;
Why doesn’t Facebook allow fake names?
We take the safety of our community very seriously. That's why we remove fake accounts from the site as we find them.
And you doubt that Facebook, with over a billion members, is more secure than SKY with possibly 20 odd 000!!
Same question was raised recently and don't think it was answerred, so maybe you can enlighten me????