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Hand#2 Shove from a loose player with a short BB left to act.
FlashFlush
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As the title says. The button is a loose player, not somebody who is highly rated in DYMs although they play a lot and at decent levels. No reads on the BB but they are short and I know they can be getting it in very light. So again I have a chance to auto-cash if I win this but if I lose is it going to put me in a bad spot. The only thing that makes me think not to call this is even if the button wins vs the BB he still hasn't got a great stack and still needs to make moves.
| FlashFlush | Small blind | 75.00 | 75.00 | 3355.00 | |
| Shabba_ | Big blind | 150.00 | 225.00 | 568.75 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| mblc5mblc | Fold | ||||
| ACShoopy | Fold | ||||
| XX | All-in | 1026.25 | 1251.25 | 0.00 | |
| FlashFlush |
Comments
Must say that the stack sizes of Shabba and XX make your decision for you imo. At the end of this hand, there are going to be two players with less than 10BB's or 0ne up to 2k in chips. Note that doesn't include the missing stacks who share about 7k either. Feel its a fold but i do like your thinking but 900 chips has more of a positive in your stack than giving you the opportunity to almost certainly auto cash. Another interesting one Flash, nice one.
There are something called bubble factor calcs (not just for the bubble) but need a pushing % for players. However if your opponent is pushing wide then you can expect him to have two live cards so it may be 60:40 or so. And remember he could have woken up with a strong hand though with 7 BB's its less likely
That's what a forum is for and i enjoyed trying to think it out. Must admit F, they are poor hands to go with in my opinion for their stack sizes, weren't they?
Whether you win or loss doesn't decide whether the play is mathemathically correct or not as i'm sure you know. There certainly are situations in these 'simpler' dym type 'calling or pushing all-ins' problems and there are apps available. The book 'the mathematics of poker' which looks at Game Theory too has solutions to simpler poker problems. A lot of poker involves more complicated problems that also involves making an assumption about say, for example, an opponents pushing range. Some of these problems are still beyond definite yes/no answers though there are still bots available to play poker as is the nature of 'greed'. Where money is there to be made , people will try to solve these problems though game theory mathematicians look at the challenge rather than the cash, eh?
anyway, i enjoyed your posts Flash...cheers
To be really boring, I absolutely agree with the comments about folding, just doesn't seem worth taking the hit here at this stage of the game IMO
But to query the last post, I completely get that K5 is a very poor call with two people in the hand, but is Q3 really a bad decision on the button with just under 7 big blinds left?
I ask as someone flitting around the lower (3/5) levels of the DYMs and who would consider this play from the button... seems like more often than not you pick up blinds as (assuming we follow the logic in this thread) a majority of players will be folding hands at least as strong as AT and so it's low odds you even see a flop.
Without these sort of moves, you're likely to have to go another round of blinds (reducing the stack to c.5 BB) and then pushing with much worse... unless you figure the BB to call far wider as short-stack...
... Or am I just showing how big a learning curve I face in 2013 with this logic?
a lot would depends on other stack sizes, if you lose 1000 chips how would you sit alongside the other chip stacks
Also 7bb in a dym is deeply stacked ) oppo can easily turn over AJ/77 - if you beleive oppo wouild have these hands then it's an easy fold
Hi S
i'm the one who wrote the last post and i don't want you to think that what i'd play or not play is sacresanct. I've only been playing 18 months so it's your choice but personally i have a chart with hands to Ai/call with for varying stack sizes and positions. After a while you get a feel for it, i suppose. These can vary if playng against tight or loose players and obviously if there are micro stacks etc. Its a matter of balance but i take your point about the orbit etc. It's just a matter of feeling a balance as remember if you AI w/7bb's with Q3o, that guy and others who see it will start calling you more and shoving lighter AI when you are on their table. If you want to put K7 or Q3 in your shoving range for ?BB's then fine. It may pay dividends but for me, i play a stronger range and its given me an acceptable roi in dyms at £3/£5 that i'm not unhappy with. It may be that if i used yours it may be better but you change your play over time and experiment a bit. We all have leaks when we play....it's just realising what they are, isn't it? Players just find what works for them......Good luck at the dym's...say hello if we meet eh? All the best m8.
then you have 1000 & 700 stack
you have 3300
if you lose your down to 2000 - which means there is only one short stack
now you back in the fight
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Just fold - you don't need to take this spot where you maybe 60% at best if it's ATC
50% if it's pr
really bad shape if your dominated 30% or something
your looking for more equity imo to make this call
from what I remember just don't take flips or 60/40's unless you are so so short in a DYM
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calling here imo is more an MTT call
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funny thing about DYM's is you have to be a nit early then get your balls out when your short stacked )