In Response to Re: 50nl thoughts against a reg : I wasn't value betting 8s!!! ha. Nah only joking, I agree bearly fwiw, I get owned everytime when I try 50nl because I call down too much. Bad folds > Bad calls? Prob not a very cool theory nowardays Posted by DOHHHHHHH
why don't you just pay me for coaching and you'll be crushing NL50 in max 45 mins rofl
In Response to Re: 50nl thoughts against a reg : I wasn't value betting 8s!!! ha. Nah only joking, I agree bearly fwiw, I get owned everytime when I try 50nl because I call down too much. Bad folds > Bad calls? Prob not a very cool theory nowardays Posted by DOHHHHHHH
ha well was guna say in the post theres like a select few people who bluff on sky. But against a lot of 50nl grinders propably a flop fold.
Also you post a "is this a good bluffing spot" post on the forum like once a week how I can i fold top top v you lol
at 50nl people who could bluff here when I used to play it Beaneh, Curt360, Jackl and Sam1986 when he plays this low.
If you think im calling v Gerrard9/Ludacris better chuck yourself out a window right now
In Response to Re: 50nl thoughts against a reg : why don't you just pay me for coaching and you'll be crushing NL50 in max 45 mins rofl Posted by beaneh
Was u raising pre,to take down the pot,or for information,or for value if you hit ? I say information,if he 4 bets you then fold.how well does your opponent know you.
The flop,your opponent at this level is expecting a c-bet,from yourself,so he takes control by re- raising, now when u flat his raise,he still has control,u check the turn,you defo give him control,not unless you think your ahead,when he bets again you flat again.
The river,you check again,and he then shoves,taking all play away from you now.
Why not re-raise the flop ? if he calls at least you know where u are,or at least a better idea.If he then re-raises u fold.
personaly i would have liked a chk raise on the flop.
when u check the turn,and flat his bet, are you hoping to get to a showdown with the remains of your stack,hoping it goes chk,chk on river.
you check the river,ur hand is only beating a bluff in my opion,so is he bluffing ?
Your opponent has played the hand well,as he has put pressure on you on every street,where as you on the other hand have been very passive,you have not asked any questions ,so you recieved no answers.
This is a good example of the power of position,if you play out of positon,you have to take position away from your opponent and gain control of the hand,unless u have an absolute monster.
So in short i chck raise the flop, if he raises i fold,if not i then lead out the turn,if called i shut up shop.
lol at not 3 betting kj, i dont give a s hi t if its 10-3, if we get enough folds pre, or villain in question folds a lot of flops then 3-betting is all ways fine also with slight uncertainty of villains tendencies i still prefer 3-bet to call(fold>call, fold vs unknown), i have no idea what you going on about here curt tbh.
You clearly have a bluff catcher bearly, if i knew who this was i could have more info but its an oppo dependant scenario obv, fold flop imo vs most regs at nl50, there's only a couple that would raise that flop as a semi bluff and fire the turn and river as a bluff, vs bad regs having a deeper stack will induce more bluffing in their game i find in general.
EDIT:sorry not singled you out curt as you talk a lot of sense on the forum, tbf you did say more info on reg is needed to 3-bet, true but all info needed is success on 3bet to fold ratio, and c-bet (in 3-bet pot) to fold ratio.
Was u raising pre,to take down the pot,or for information,or for value if you hit ? I say information,if he 4 bets you then fold.how well does your opponent know you. The flop,your opponent at this level is expecting a c-bet,from yourself,so he takes control by re- raising, now when u flat his raise,he still has control,u check the turn,you defo give him control,not unless you think your ahead,when he bets again you flat again. The river,you check again,and he then shoves,taking all play away from you now. Why not re-raise the flop ? if he calls at least you know where u are,or at least a better idea.If he then re-raises u fold. personaly i would have liked a chk raise on the flop. when u check the turn,and flat his bet, are you hoping to get to a showdown with the remains of your stack,hoping it goes chk,chk on river. you check the river,ur hand is only beating a bluff in my opion,so is he bluffing ? Your opponent has played the hand well,as he has put pressure on you on every street,where as you on the other hand have been very passive,you have not asked any questions ,so you recieved no answers. This is a good example of the power of position,if you play out of positon,you have to take position away from your opponent and gain control of the hand,unless u have an absolute monster. So in short i chck raise the flop, if he raises i fold,if not i then lead out the turn,if called i shut up shop. Posted by thejudge10
Why would i ever check raise the flop here makes no sense at all whats are plan if i check raise and he comes over the top are you looking to get it in!. Of course im checking the turn and river as he has the iniative in the hand makes no sense for me to come leading out on the turn or river dont know why you would ever lead here. Betting and raising for information is old school poker and is not part of todays game. And if we check raise the flop and get called why would we ever lead the turn?
you chk raise the turn,to try and win the pot there and then,you are showing strength,if they come over the top,then easy you fold,if they just flat u lead out the turn, to get the drawing hands to fold,if they call,you then are pretty sure your behind.
Now you say that the opponent has the iniative,you should be trying to take away his advantage of position,and trying to win the hand.
The way it was played the only time you tried to take control and win the hand,was pre.
this way you have tried,to win the hand down the streets,at a cost effective way,as oppposed to the way it was played.
It also makes your decisions alot easier.
we all play differentley,and are willing to learn.
This is how i would have played the hand,and tried to explain my reasoning,it may be flawed,and these flawes will be explained thru posts like this,then i myself can take something away from this post.
you chk raise the turn,to try and win the pot there and then,you are showing strength,if they come over the top,then easy you fold,if they just flat u lead out the turn, to get the drawing hands to fold,if they call,you then are pretty sure your behind. Now you say that the opponent has the iniative,you should be trying to take away his advantage of position,and trying to win the hand. The way it was played the only time you tried to take control and win the hand,was pre. this way you have tried,to win the hand down the streets,at a cost effective way,as oppposed to the way it was played. It also makes your decisions alot easier. we all play differentley,and are willing to learn. This is how i would have played the hand,and tried to explain my reasoning,it may be flawed,and these flawes will be explained thru posts like this,then i myself can take something away from this post. Did u have a plan once the flop came down ? Posted by thejudge10
Sorry but il have to disagree with you here on this 1 as i think its crazy trying to take control of a hand with possible showdown value and trying to turn it into a bluff by raising for information.
lol at not 3 betting kj, i dont give a s hi t if its 10-3, if we get enough folds pre, or villain in question folds a lot of flops then 3-betting is all ways fine also with slight uncertainty of villains tendencies i still prefer 3-bet to call(fold />call, fold vs unknown), i have no idea what you going on about here curt tbh. You clearly have a bluff catcher bearly, if i knew who this was i could have more info but its an oppo dependant scenario obv, fold flop imo vs most regs at nl50, there's only a couple that would raise that flop as a semi bluff and fire the turn and river as a bluff, vs bad regs having a deeper stack will induce more bluffing in their game i find in general. EDIT:sorry not singled you out curt as you talk a lot of sense on the forum, tbf you did say more info on reg is needed to 3-bet, true but all info needed is success on 3bet to fold ratio, and c-bet (in 3-bet pot) to fold ratio. Posted by WHOAMI196
No problem at all, glad when people disagree and have different views and opinions on a hand.
I just think pre is a bit of a cloudy area. It just doesn't seem like were 100% sure why we are 3betting. Obv it would be easier is we had more info of villain, there tendencies and how capable they are. The plus is we have gained the betting lead and initiative in hand and the negatives are we are OOP with a marginal hand vs a range that probably has us beat (obv will vary from reg to reg and this is why more info would give a clearer answer) so I just don't see why we would want to get into a marginal spot like this.
Now Bearlyther is a capable player, so imagine you are 3betting pre and having to play a pot from OOP vs yourself with KJ 200bb deep, if that makes sense. Would you think of it as been a good spot?
In Response to Re: 50nl thoughts against a reg : ha well was guna say in the post theres like a select few people who bluff on sky. But against a lot of 50nl grinders propably a flop fold. Also you post a "is this a good bluffing spot" post on the forum like once a week how I can i fold top top v you lol at 50nl people who could bluff here when I used to play it Beaneh, Curt360, Jackl and Sam1986 when he plays this low. If you think im calling v Gerrard9/Ludacris better chuck yourself out a window right now Posted by bolly580
Why do people not post names on this forum?? When hands are shown on the sky TV channel, we see names so not sure why we don't here. There's no way of determing whether you played the hand good or badly without knowing who the opponent was.
Or at the very least, some reads on this opponent.
yeah hero should put reads down, but i don't think names should be revealed. tv channel shows hands from cash games that have a tv symbol on so players sitting down on those tables have to accept their play being shown. otherwise no show imo
Why do people not post names on this forum?? When hands are shown on the sky TV channel, we see names so not sure why we don't here. There's no way of determing whether you played the hand good or badly without knowing who the opponent was. Or at the very least, some reads on this opponent. Posted by F_Ivanovic
Would you post a hand against me, then discussing everything you think about me, how I play, how you adjust accordingly etc? It would be a bad idea. Obviously if someone is really paying attention they can notice that it was a hand they've played being shown from the other perspective. Similarly why would you want to give away all your reads on someone to the whole forum?
Discussing the players tendencies is really important but to stop it from becoming too focused on the particular player it's best to keep names out of it and talk slightly more in generalities.
In Response to Re: 50nl thoughts against a reg : No problem at all, glad when people disagree and have different views and opinions on a hand. I just think pre is a bit of a cloudy area. It just doesn't seem like were 100% sure why we are 3betting. Obv it would be easier is we had more info of villain, there tendencies and how capable they are. The plus is we have gained the betting lead and initiative in hand and the negatives are we are OOP with a marginal hand vs a range that probably has us beat (obv will vary from reg to reg and this is why more info would give a clearer answer) so I just don't see why we would want to get into a marginal spot like this. Now Bearlyther is a capable player, so imagine you are 3betting pre and having to play a pot from OOP vs yourself with KJ 200bb deep, if that makes sense. Would you think of it as been a good spot? Posted by Curt360x27
that rattled my brain lol i don't know :S, but disregarding hand value fo a second i am looking to take it down pre or on the flop and mainly figuring out the chance of success by looking at the type of player were facing. Vs a tight range kj does pretty bad, but our three-bet, continuation-bets work well vs a tight range imo, as we can read the board more confidently, read their ranges better etc and continue or give up accordingly, i am not looking to hit my hand as such so therefore essentially bluffing, i think its good to do this ..
there are better player than myself out there, you may be one curt but i am all ways willing to learn and to be frank i do put myself in tough spots a lot so my logic could be wrong but also i get greater succes when i 3-bet more and call less, but something tells me i should not talk strategy with good players who play at same stakes, just greater chance of me getting owned lol ..il keep quiet now
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I say information,if he 4 bets you then fold.how well does your opponent know you.
The flop,your opponent at this level is expecting a c-bet,from yourself,so he takes control by re- raising,
now when u flat his raise,he still has control,u check the turn,you defo give him control,not unless you think your ahead,when he bets again you flat again.
The river,you check again,and he then shoves,taking all play away from you now.
Why not re-raise the flop ?
if he calls at least you know where u are,or at least a better idea.If he then re-raises u fold.
personaly i would have liked a chk raise on the flop.
when u check the turn,and flat his bet, are you hoping to get to a showdown with the remains of your stack,hoping it goes chk,chk on river.
you check the river,ur hand is only beating a bluff in my opion,so is he bluffing ?
Your opponent has played the hand well,as he has put pressure on you on every street,where as you on the other hand have been very passive,you have not asked any questions ,so you recieved no answers.
This is a good example of the power of position,if you play out of positon,you have to take position away from your opponent and gain control of the hand,unless u have an absolute monster.
So in short i chck raise the flop, if he raises i fold,if not i then lead out the turn,if called i shut up shop.
Now you say that the opponent has the iniative,you should be trying to take away his advantage of position,and trying to win the hand.
The way it was played the only time you tried to take control and win the hand,was pre.
this way you have tried,to win the hand down the streets,at a cost effective way,as oppposed to the way it was played.
It also makes your decisions alot easier.
we all play differentley,and are willing to learn.
This is how i would have played the hand,and tried to explain my reasoning,it may be flawed,and these flawes will be explained thru posts like this,then i myself can take something away from this post.
Did u have a plan once the flop came down ?