Boo...YAAH...YAAH...Boo sky hates me lol

snorky

Another day at the office.    2 left big bucks at stake 25 quid for the winner, 15 for second and well hand me the tissues

snorky	Small blind		1500.00	1500.00	30025.00
CmonChels	Big blind		3000.00	4500.00	36475.00
	Your hole cards	10 K
snorky	Raise		10500.00	15000.00	19525.00
CmonChels	All-in		36475.00	51475.00	0.00
snorky	All-in		19525.00	71000.00	0.00
CmonChels	Unmatched bet		7950.00	63050.00	7950.00
snorky	Show	10 K
CmonChels	Show	J K
Flop
		2 10 10
Turn
		9
River
		Q
CmonChels	Win	Straight to the King	63050.00		71000.00

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Lambert180

Yeah, how dare you lose when you get it in and are completely crushed preflop!

snorky

In Response to Re: Boo...YAAH...YAAH...Boo sky hates me lol:

Yeah, how dare you lose when you get it in and are completely crushed preflop!
Posted by Lambert180

Lol so you are supposed to win when you go in ahead pre flop...now that would be a refreshing change. And the boo at the beginning of the headline indicates that. Would of thought I was allowed to raised my expectations with a set of tens after the flop against his gut shot.2 handed k,10 above average worth a punt, definitely trying to induce the re-raise and got outdrawn.
You never read the title of the post did you?

Be lucky   

seppe

Raise less, then fold to the shove

cenachav

In Response to Re: Boo...YAAH...YAAH...Boo sky hates me lol:

Raise less, then fold to the shove
Posted by seppe

Huge +1  Big mistake calling a shove with K 10 with your stack size

loololollo

raise 2.5x bb fold to all in imo

snorky

In Response to Re: Boo...YAAH...YAAH...Boo sky hates me lol:

raise 2.5x bb fold to all in imo
Posted by loololollo

Yep seems like good advice will try that next time.

thought k10 2 handed was worth a punt. Actually wanted him to shove so I could call.
reckon I got that wrong. 
cheers for advice seems was backed up by others.

Ta 

Lambert180

Tbh I disagree with everyone, you have KT, 10xBB and it's HU, I think it's a really easy open shove.

With 10xBB you should be shove or folding regardless so we should be shoving 22 the same as we'd shove AA and the same as we should be shoving 89s and the same as QJo and the same as KTo.

It's jam or fold and this is a jam. And he shouldn't fold, it's just a cooler, HU this is a good spot.

seppe

In Response to Re: Boo...YAAH...YAAH...Boo sky hates me lol:

Tbh I disagree with everyone, you have KT, 10xBB and it's HU, I think it's a really easy open shove. With 10xBB you should be shove or folding regardless so we should be shoving 22 the same as we'd shove AA and the same as we should be shoving 89s and the same as QJo and the same as KTo. It's jam or fold and this is a jam. And he shouldn't fold, it's just a cooler, HU this is a good spot.
Posted by Lambert180

Yes its a jam or fold, He shudnt b raising to get it in tho. once hes raised all in he shud be folding.

Lambert180

I'm not sure that he can fold after he's put a third of his stack in tbh, not if we think the opponent is even semi competent. We'll have abuot 40% equity against a half decent jamming range, and he has to call 19k to win 51k.

snorky

In Response to Re: Boo...YAAH...YAAH...Boo sky hates me lol:

I'm not sure that he can fold after he's put a third of his stack in tbh, not if we think the opponent is even semi competent. We'll have abuot 40% equity against a half decent jamming range, and he has to call 19k to win 51k.
Posted by Lambert180

I raised to induce the jam as I was happy to shove. So basically if I am going to shove after a re-raise I might as well shove pre?
Personally I thought k10 HU is always worth shoving but shoving k10 often gets a fold. Intention was to make him think I was at it,he comes over the top and I call his jam. To be honest everything was going swimmingly until I saw his hole cards.

May be over thinking this. Just shoved my 20000 chips on kq on final table 4 left. Got looked up by guy with 24000 chips with A5 and i'm gone. Seems both variants come with a hole slice of luck attached but still do not know which way is best.

SO question is 2.5bet and leave an exit strat or jam and except I may not get action.
I managed to mess both of these up in two nights

still a long way to go.         

Lambert180

KT is a strong hand HU but it's not strong enough to be trying to induce a shove, remember you're behind to A2.

You should be perfectly happy to see him fold when you shove, when stacks are this shallow, every shove that gets through is a real boost to your stack and a knock to his.

When stacks are like this, and hands like KT, if you intend to call if he shoves over the top, then definitely jsut shove yourself, you want to give yourself the maximum fold equity.

snorky

In Response to Re: Boo...YAAH...YAAH...Boo sky hates me lol:

KT is a strong hand HU but it's not strong enough to be trying to induce a shove, remember you're behind to A2. You should be perfectly happy to see him fold when you shove, when stacks are this shallow, every shove that gets through is a real boost to your stack and a knock to his.
Posted by Lambert180

I will adopt this Lambert thankyou. Just shoved K7 HU and got called by ace 5 another second for me. Still another 13 quid in my br. (I know it's small but have turned 7 quid into 44 in two days)   
Will get this HU sorted soon and win one. Must be doing somthing Right with 4th,4th,2nd just can't quite get there.

Thxs again snorky   

Lambert180

Yeah I dunno what you're playing but very impressive to be even getting to HU multiple times in a small period of time.

K7 still has a 40% chance of beating A5 so if he folds 1 in 10 times (10%) the shove becomes break even, You're average joe  HU shortstack probably folds to shoves much more like 1 in 3 times at least, which is why shoving a wide range is so good.

In your hand above, imagine you shove and he folds 4-5 times in a row which is perfectly believable (happens all the time against bad players)  suddenly you have near 50k and he has abuot 20k, now you're really in the driving seat.