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whackerwhacker Member Posts: 3
edited January 2013 in The Poker Clinic

Hey all,
Virgin poster here so apologies if my lingo/eticate not up to scratch. Qualified via satelite for big buyin tourney and had decided to play very tight early on as was bit nervous playing against better players tbh. I only called the reraise as was putting one of my 2 oppos on AA KK or AK and knew I would fold if A or K came on flop so didnt want to put any more chips in this early in tourney.  Should i have reraised pre flop as was suggested after the hand when copping bit of flak from my oppo?



00000 Small blind  25.00 25.00 3525.00
bar4004 Big blind  50.00 75.00 2595.00
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • Q
     
282wob Fold     
RUNITSRANN Fold     
whacker Raise  150.00 225.00 4020.00
Jeffter Fold     
00000 Raise  450.00 675.00 3075.00
bar4004 Call  425.00 1100.00 2170.00
whacker Call  325.00 1425.00 3695.00
Flop
   
  • 10
  • 2
  • 3
     
00000 Bet  1100.00 2525.00 1975.00
bar4004 Fold     
whacker All-in  3695.00 6220.00 0.00
00000 All-in  1975.00 8195.00 0.00
whacker Unmatched bet  620.00 7575.00 620.00
00000 Show
  • A
  • K
   
whacker Show
  • Q
  • Q
   
Turn
   
  • 10
     
River
   
  • 4
     
whacker Win Two Pairs, Queens and 10s 7575.00  8195.00
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited January 2013
    looks good
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  • profman15profman15 Member Posts: 1,808
    edited January 2013
    Hi W

    You had your reasons and a plan. Ok rer is probably the standard play but i understand your reasons for this and am fine with them.
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  • lerkylerky Member Posts: 38
    edited January 2013
    absolutely fine as early in tournament basically avoid the over cards on flop and go for it if u run into bigger pp its one of those things -your too strong to fold
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited January 2013
    4b pre
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  • PuppetJackPuppetJack Member Posts: 196
    edited January 2013
    As regards your play, seems fine to me. you were aware of the potential threat and adjusted accordingly. Seems totally reasonable to me.

    Additionally, I don't get why you got flak in the chat box. - He called you on a 3/1 shot & didn't get there.

    Not your fault, his really and yeah, maybe you should raise pre with premium pairs, but if everyone ALWAYS did what they were supposed to, the game would be dull & predictable.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited January 2013
    Yeah, I think you should probably 4bet pre, but not the end of the world.

    After that, perfect.
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  • bassripperbassripper Member Posts: 45
    edited January 2013
    4bet shove pre
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  • UnknownUnknown
    edited January 2013
    Can either flat or 4bet, either is ok, gj at holding postflop though, nice to win when you are an underdog! ;)
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  • UnknownUnknown
    edited January 2013
    In Response to Re: Any thoughts:
    As regards your play, seems fine to me. you were aware of the potential threat and adjusted accordingly. Seems totally reasonable to me. Additionally, I don't get why you got flak in the chat box. - He called you on a 3/1 shot & didn't get there. Not your fault, his really and yeah, maybe you should raise pre with premium pairs, but if everyone ALWAYS did what they were supposed to, the game would be dull & predictable.
    Posted by PuppetJack
    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

     990  games     0.001 secs   990,000  games/sec

    Board: Tc 3c 2s
    Dead:  

    equity win tie      pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 55.354%   55.35% 00.00%           548        0.00   { AcKc }
    Hand 1: 44.646%   44.65% 00.00%           442        0.00   { QdQh }


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  • mewillowsmewillows Member Posts: 406
    edited January 2013
    In Response to Re: Any thoughts:
    In Response to Re: Any thoughts : Text results appended to pokerstove.txt  990  games     0.001 secs   990,000  games/sec Board: Tc 3c 2s Dead:   equity win tie      pots won pots tied Hand 0: 55.354%   55.35% 00.00%           548        0.00   { AcKc } Hand 1: 44.646%   44.65% 00.00%           442        0.00   { QdQh } ---
    Posted by CoxyLboro
    what he said
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  • smitalolsmitalol Member Posts: 25
    edited January 2013
    i would 4bet shove
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  • F_IvanovicF_Ivanovic Member Posts: 2,410
    edited January 2013
    So you put one of your opponents on AA, KK or AK, hands that are massively ahead of your QQ or flipping. The flop comes T high and your opponent bets into you - now, either he is c-betting  big with AK and your ahead, or he is c-betting with KK or AA and you are massively behind.

    You decide to go all in... why? If your opponent has AK he is most likely only calling with AKs (the flush draw) in which case your flipping. If he has KK or AA and calls you are crushed. Basically you are putting all your chips in and when you get called you are never very happy. This is not good because when we normally put chips in with what we deem a good hand it's because we want/wouldn't mind a call.

    To make it clear, I'm not criticising the play but the thought process behind your play. If you put him on a wider range of hands than AA, KK, and AK (say 99+, AT+, KQ, maybe even suited connectors) then your play becomes completely standard. I'd say this is the case with this hand (altho maybe he has a slightly less wide range than the one i gave him, it still makes it fine)
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  • seppeseppe Member Posts: 287
    edited January 2013
    In Response to Any thoughts:
    Hey all, Virgin poster here so apologies if my lingo/eticate not up to scratch. Qualified via satelite for big buyin tourney and had decided to play very tight early on as was bit nervous playing against better players tbh. I only called the reraise as was putting one of my 2 oppos on AA KK or AK and knew I would fold if A or K came on flop so didnt want to put any more chips in this early in tourney.  Should i have reraised pre flop as was suggested after the hand when copping bit of flak from my oppo? 00000  Small blind   25.00 25.00 3525.00 bar4004 Big blind   50.00 75.00 2595.00   Your hole cards Q Q       282wob Fold         RUNITSRANN Fold         whacker Raise   150.00 225.00 4020.00 Jeffter Fold         00000  Raise   450.00 675.00 3075.00 bar4004 Call   425.00 1100.00 2170.00 whacker Call   325.00 1425.00 3695.00 Flop     10 2 3       00000 Bet   1100.00 2525.00 1975.00 bar4004 Fold         whacker All-in   3695.00 6220.00 0.00 00000  All-in   1975.00 8195.00 0.00 whacker Unmatched bet   620.00 7575.00 620.00 00000  Show A K       whacker Show Q Q       Turn     10       River     4       whacker Win Two Pairs, Queens and 10s 7575.00   8195.00
    Posted by whacker
    Why the **** did you shove on that flop then? u aint going to get them to fold aa/kk
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  • loolololloloololollo Member Posts: 929
    edited January 2013
    4bet if 2 people go all in fold if 1 then call
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  • whackerwhacker Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2013

    F Ivanovic "You decide to go all in... why?" 

    Seppe "Why the **** did you shove on that flop then? u aint going to get them to fold aa/kk"

    To answer that honestly when i said i put him on AA KK or AK it was more like i was fearing those hands than me actually putting him on any hand and i made a snap decision just to flat the reraise preflop and if no A or K came on the flop i was going to shove whether anyone C betted before me or not and if he had Aces or Kings so be it.And to be honest again I never took any time post flop to consider the 2 clubs and the fact he cud have AK suited which means he is ahead, i was hoping he had Ak off or a smaller pair . Flawed play/thinking i know now but its a problem i have sometimes deciding what im going to do postflop ... preflop  !

    In saying that lads rather than shove after his Cbet at that stage should i just call off any bets thru the streets as long as no club or A or K appear ?

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