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20NL - Flopped 2pr, turned the house

Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
edited January 2013 in The Poker Clinic
I flat the flop because 3betting I think is gonna turn my hand pretty face up as being 2prs and sets, so want to let him carry on betting on the turn with his TPs, straight draws etc and I can assess how badly the turn card improves his range.

Now that I've flatted the flop, do I have to flat the turn? If I don't flat the turn, is my sizing ok?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
LARSON7 Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £24.86
VINEY73 Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £23.87
  Your hole cards
  • 9
  • 8
     
Lambert180 Raise   £0.60 £0.90 £20.99
EvilPingu Fold        
daragh1980 Fold        
LARSON7 Call   £0.50 £1.40 £24.36
VINEY73 Fold        
Flop
   
  • Q
  • 9
  • 8
     
LARSON7 Check        
Lambert180 Bet   £0.90 £2.30 £20.09
LARSON7 Raise   £1.80 £4.10 £22.56
Lambert180 Call   £0.90 £5.00 £19.19
Turn
   
  • 9
     
LARSON7 Bet   £2.50 £7.50 £20.06
Lambert180 Raise   £6.60 £14.10 £12.59
LARSON7 Fold        
Lambert180 Muck        
Lambert180 Win   £9.50   £22.09
Lambert180 Return   £4.10 £0.50 £26.19
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited January 2013
    In Response to 20NL - Flopped 2pr, turned the house:
    I flat the flop because 3betting I think is gonna turn my hand pretty face up as being 2prs and sets, so want to let him carry on betting on the turn with his TPs, straight draws etc and I can assess how badly the turn card improves his range. Now that I've flatted the flop, do I have to flat the turn? If I don't flat the turn, is my sizing ok? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance LARSON7 Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £24.86 VINEY73 Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £23.87   Your hole cards 9 8       Lambert180 Raise   £0.60 £0.90 £20.99 EvilPingu Fold         daragh1980 Fold         LARSON7 Call   £0.50 £1.40 £24.36 VINEY73 Fold         Flop     Q 9 8       LARSON7 Check         Lambert180 Bet   £0.90 £2.30 £20.09 LARSON7 Raise   £1.80 £4.10 £22.56 Lambert180 Call   £0.90 £5.00 £19.19 Turn     9       LARSON7 Bet   £2.50 £7.50 £20.06 Lambert180 Raise   £6.60 £14.10 £12.59 LARSON7 Fold         Lambert180 Muck         Lambert180 Win   £9.50   £22.09 Lambert180 Return   £4.10 £0.50 £26.19
    Posted by Lambert180
    and raising the turn doesn't? lol
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited January 2013
    In Response to Re: 20NL - Flopped 2pr, turned the house:
    In Response to 20NL - Flopped 2pr, turned the house : and raising the turn doesn't? lol
    Posted by percival09
    Sigh, yes I know. I got too caught up in making sure I could get stacks in by the river, and ended up doing something that meant it didn't even get that far.

    His line does look pretty strong though so thought I might be able to get away with it.
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  • craigcu12craigcu12 Member Posts: 3,960
    edited January 2013
    i would say a flat call is better on the turn too all he seems to be showing is the sign of a pair of Q also as it has just become paired it makes it easier for the villian to believe you have a 9 in your hand.
    the villian himself i don't think has a straight because the board is lacking draws so a J10 i would see just wanting to make the call on the flop
    maybe he has a QJ or Q10
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited January 2013
    If you think oppo is bluffing on flop then flat, otherwise look to get it in

    unless your thinking your beat on flop )

    turn is a flat
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited January 2013
    Well if I manage to get it in on the flop, I'm almost certainly beat. I could get c/r by worse hands but if we get it in I'll be against better 2prs, sets and JT imo.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited January 2013
    In Response to Re: 20NL - Flopped 2pr, turned the house:
    Well if I manage to get it in on the flop, I'm almost certainly beat. I could get c/r by worse hands but if we get it in I'll be against better 2prs, sets and JT imo.
    Posted by Lambert180
    readless sux )
    You can't be certain what oppo will stack off on the flop w/o reads
    Yeah by flatting flop your kepping in worse,
    When you raise turn what are you beating that doesn't fold






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  • seppeseppe Member Posts: 287
    edited January 2013
    Flat the turn, let him barrel again on the river then get it in
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited January 2013
    Well yeah,as always, I'm posting hands cos I know I've done something wrong, and I usually know what it is before I even post it.

    The turn was deffo a flat. I think the only thing that calls the turn raise that I beat is JT and 88, both of which he can have, but its a small part of his range.

    Was worried about whether I can get stacks in or not, but as I was discussing with Doh last night, it really helps that I'm IP. If I flat the turn, I can just jam over whatever river bet he makes if he makes one, or it will only be a slight overbet jam.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited January 2013
    Raise the flop, once you call the flop and turn gin why on earth raise there?


    Call turn as played.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited January 2013
    In Response to Re: 20NL - Flopped 2pr, turned the house:
    Raise the flop, once you call the flop and turn gin why on earth raise there? Call turn as played.
    Posted by beaneh
    If I 3bet the flop what can I get action from that I beat?
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited January 2013
    In Response to Re: 20NL - Flopped 2pr, turned the house:
    In Response to Re: 20NL - Flopped 2pr, turned the house : If I 3bet the flop what can I get action from that I beat?
    Posted by Lambert180
    zzz stop thinking all players play perfectly

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  • bolly580bolly580 Member Posts: 603
    edited January 2013
    id rather raise the flop than the turn.

    If anthing his line looks super bluffy so just hold your hand and accept the gravy when this turn card hits


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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited January 2013
    In Response to Re: 20NL - Flopped 2pr, turned the house:
    In Response to Re: 20NL - Flopped 2pr, turned the house : If I 3bet the flop what can I get action from that I beat?
    Posted by Lambert180

    how many turn cards kill your action/rim your hand value?

    how would you play JT or w/e is the straight?



    the flop flat is fine but it's awful if you then raise this specific turn.
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  • bolly580bolly580 Member Posts: 603
    edited January 2013
    In Response to Re: 20NL - Flopped 2pr, turned the house:
    In Response to Re: 20NL - Flopped 2pr, turned the house : If I 3bet the flop what can I get action from that I beat?
    Posted by Lambert180
    at 20nl people will still stack with top pair.

    A lot of players (perhaps not some of your better regs) will stack here with KQ/AQ maybe even 810 i know ive stacked people in these spots who are just spewin.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited January 2013
    I'd be worried getting c/r here otf.

    We block 2 of the 3 sets, but they cud still have em, as well as better 2ps and TJ.

    Not chuffed about getting it in.

    Happy to flat flop, flat turn and then do whatever otr, shudnt be a hard spot, his river action will tell us whatever we need to know. 


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  • loolololloloololollo Member Posts: 929
    edited January 2013
    call the turn bruv and bet dat rivAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA your in position son RESPECT THE POWER OF POSITIONnnananannaannaanan
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