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Can anyone tell me, at what level cash, does this crud stop happening?
PuppetJack
Member Posts: 196
Utterly speechless at this call.
It just makes me not want to bother anymore...
Hand History #615799166 (20:54 28/01/2013)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceCrunchStikSmall blind £0.05£0.05£4.86PuppetJackBig blind £0.10£0.15£1.61 Your hole cardsKK IMikeyBoyIFold foldUfairyFold frapstarRaise £0.30£0.45£9.93CrunchStikCall £0.25£0.70£4.61PuppetJackAll-in £1.61£2.31£0.00frapstarFold CrunchStikCall £1.41£3.72£3.20CrunchStikShow86 PuppetJackShowKK Flop 106Q Turn 8 River 9 CrunchStikWinTwo Pairs, 8s and 6s£3.44 £6.64
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Maybe it's just me.
basically we do get some awful losses but without them it would become so boring
Personally I think these calls go against everything they teach and tell you when learning poker...but at the end of the day, it's up to the individual player how they spend their money....
It happens at all levels..watch some of the master cash games on tv where £100's of pounds are involved..sometimes it makes you wonder if some people have more money than sense........
It's not the bankroll or even the money in general that bothers me really. (I'm playing at stakes I know I can absorb as just recreational spending) What bothers me is that I want to be be a winning player. I've invested a lot of time over several years reading books, watching tv / guides, discussing things on forums and I'm still a break-even to losing player.
I don't want to move up the stakes until I'm confident that I'm doing considerably well at a particular level. - I make a lot of notes on players and many of the players I have notes on I scarcely see nowadays. - whether they've left the site or graduated to higher stakes I don't know, but I just feel like I'm not progressing. - Yet I'm continually posting on here asking "what did I do wrong? - How did I lose this..?" etc, and I'm continually being told "You played it fairly well, just got unlucky" - well that can't be the sole reason. If I push all in pre against a flush draw with a solid pair, I'd expect to win 2/3 times, yet it hardly ever happens.
I'm not in the 'the RNG is bugged' or 'it's rigged' camps, I know that it is legitimate and that context density means that online you see more hands and therefore more bad beats, but the flipside of that is that if I'm playing well, then I'm playing well over more hands, so I should be winning more over time.
I geekily keep a spreadsheet of all my ingoings / outgoings & the graph just looks pitiful at the moment. I can't figure out what I need to do in order to stop people from calling with tosh, and from what I've read it's rife at all levels. I understand that you will sometimes get it in good & get sucked out, - but in the case above, how can someone call a raise, - then to have someone else shove over the top, and still think 6-8suited is good?
It's just mental.
I will be intently watching my progress (or lack thereof) for the next week or two & I'll decide then whether it's about time I just conceded that I'm no good and I'll take up something else.
cheers for your advice guys, - I do appreciate it, - just a bit low atm.
- PJ
You need to examine your attitude towards these things. You also have to accept that nobody has a big edge in poker. What I'd suggest you do is have a look at all the hands you play, not just the big hands and the big pots.
Take a look through your hand history at all the hands where you lost 3BB and ask yourself if you needed to lose that much. Look at the hands where you won 10BB and ask yourself if you could have won more. The winning players aren't winners just because they play big hands well and win big pots. In reality we all get as many big hands as one another, so the way you win money in the long-term is by maximising value and minimising losses with your marginal hands.
Pull up for the maximum. In this hand be happy to get it in as a big favourite. Look away from the screen after you get it all-in because the result of this particular run-out is irrelevant... You got all your money in the pot in a very +EV situation. That is relevant.
Sorry, that was a bit tongue in cheek. - I do get exactly what you're saying, and I think I'll go and look at a variety of the smaller pots from recentr sessions, see what truths I can garner from those bad boys.
Thanks for your honesty & advice.
- PJ
Like someone else said, it wasn't a lot more to call.
It might be useful if you took stats of your profit/ loss to keep a record of how you are doing. Also, after a session analyse your hands, to see what went well or didn't go so well. If you are on "tilt" maybe just stop have a break and come back later on. It's easier said than done, just today i lost a 3 way pot with pocket aces (all in preflop), 10 J won by getting runner runner! I went on to lose about £15 just from tilting. It will sound daft, but my logic goes totally out of the window, and common sense is all over the place!
A big part of poker is psychology, if you are wondering why am i not a winning player, why don't you maybe go down a level to the 2p 4p tables, get a run, it will build your confidence before going back up to 5p 10p, or mix it up a bit and play a bit of 4nl and 10nl.
Good luck
i've been playing nl4 and a little nl10 this year,and i see this all the time.
i'm trying to work out the optimal way of beating these levels.
i've been raising up 3x and 5x and more pre-flop,in an effort to try and stop these callers but they do or some still call regardless,as it's still relatively little money.
when these hands play out i either win bigger or lose bigger.
so it then comes down to just how many win v lose pots i get and the ammounts involved, as to how i do.
i've also been experimenting limping in,(last night) and found that was ok.
won a few quid playing that way,so probably try it again next session.
it helped keeping the pots smaller anyway so my losses were less but then flip side my wins were smaller,so is this a winning strategy?i'll keep you posted on my cash and the 2p/4p thread.
gl
ps re playing big pairs etc,again u should (in theory) be getting them aipf as u have which should be profitable over time.
i'm guilty of not always doing this myself.
also we remember every time we lose and forget the wins,i'm again guilty here,and have been reminded of this several times. lol
keep getting them in though as others have said,it is the correct play,even though it doesn't always feel like it.
gl
Also everyone gets annoyed at this because it seems unfair but reading the mental game of poker might help, i got reccomended this book for tilt and it does help alot. It does state that we haveto remember the pbad players need to win every once in a while to keep believing that they can win long term (even though its unlikely they will). So you having a bad beat in the short term will actually help you to beat the poorer players in the long term.
Hope it helped and good luck with your game, keep going the hard work will pay off !
robbie