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Scarey call on river?

LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
edited February 2013 in The Poker Clinic
I know every1 will be like, i shouldnt be in the hand in the 1st place, but how do you thik this hand played out
LARSON7 Small blind  15.00 15.00 4125.00
9689 Big blind  30.00 45.00 1810.00
  Your hole cards
  • 2
  • A
     
colin4000 Fold     
KINGCANUTE Raise  60.00 105.00 1820.00
JONNYLODDON1 Fold     
blad1 Fold     
LARSON7 Call  45.00 150.00 4080.00
9689 Call  30.00 180.00 1780.00
Flop
   
  • K
  • A
  • 2
     
LARSON7 Bet  135.00 315.00 3945.00
9689 Fold     
KINGCANUTE Call  135.00 450.00 1685.00
Turn
   
  • 3
     
LARSON7 Bet  337.50 787.50 3607.50
KINGCANUTE Call  337.50 1125.00 1347.50
River
   
  • 3
     
LARSON7 Check     
KINGCANUTE Bet  562.50 1687.50 785.00
LARSON7 Call  562.50 2250.00 3045.00
KINGCANUTE Show
  • 10
  • K
   
LARSON7 Show
  • 2
  • A
   
LARSON7 Win Two Pairs, Aces and 3s
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  • waynecwaynec Member Posts: 1,023
    edited February 2013
    IMO scarey hand to play so much out of position, A2 in SB to a raise reckless and you were lucky next time it will cost you!!!
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited February 2013
    lol haha i knew that was coming,

    Other Hand I flop the nuts, i know oppo folds but i like my all in on turn
    colin4000 Small blind  20.00 20.00 1690.00
    KINGCANUTE Big blind  40.00 60.00 700.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • J
    		     
    JONNYLODDON1 Fold     
    blad1 Fold     
    LARSON7 Call  40.00 100.00 5635.00
    9689 Call  40.00 140.00 1405.00
    colin4000 Call  20.00 160.00 1670.00
    KINGCANUTE Check     
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 9
    • 8
    		     
    colin4000 Check     
    KINGCANUTE Check     
    LARSON7 Bet  120.00 280.00 5515.00
    9689 Fold     
    colin4000 Call  120.00 400.00 1550.00
    KINGCANUTE Fold     
    Turn
       
    • 2
    		     
    colin4000 Check     
    LARSON7 All-in  5515.00 5915.00 0.00
    colin4000 Fold     
    LARSON7 Muck     
    LARSON7 Win  400.00  400.00
    LARSON7 Return  5515.00
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited February 2013
    (Given his stack)
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited February 2013
    looooose lol gotta love runnin good
    9689 Small blind  30.00 30.00 1195.00
    KINGCANUTE Big blind  60.00 90.00 610.00
      Your hole cards
    • 3
    • Q
    		     
    JONNYLODDON1 Call  60.00 150.00 2390.00
    blad1 Fold     
    LARSON7 Raise  180.00 330.00 5765.00
    9689 Call  150.00 480.00 1045.00
    KINGCANUTE Call  120.00 600.00 490.00
    JONNYLODDON1 Call  120.00 720.00 2270.00
    Flop
       
    • 2
    • 4
    • 7
    		     
    9689 Check     
    KINGCANUTE All-in  490.00 1210.00 0.00
    JONNYLODDON1 Fold     
    LARSON7 Call  490.00 1700.00 5275.00
    9689 Fold     
    KINGCANUTE Show
    • J
    • 2
    		   
    LARSON7 Show
    • 3
    • Q
    		   
    Turn
       
    • 7
    		     
    River
       
    • Q
    		     
    LARSON7 Win Flush to the Queen 1700.00  
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  • bearlytherbearlyther Member Posts: 1,757
    edited February 2013
    1st hand fold pre your oop with a rag ace

    2nd hand  never open limp into a pot with any hand limping pre is awful.

    On the turn never open jam the turn losing way too much value.
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited February 2013
    Why do you like your turn jam in the second hand, given his stack? He has nearly four times the pot back. Explain your reasons, otherwise how are we supposed to discuss them. Don't limp pre-flop.

    On the first hand, yes you should fold pre-flop. I quite like your line after that but again, you don't explain the motives for any of your actions. Take us through it.
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited February 2013
    AHHH TIGHT, NOT raising KQ in BB


    blad1     		Small blind  30.00 30.00 3500.00
    LARSON7 Big blind  60.00 90.00 6915.00
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • Q
    		     
    9689 Fold     
    iain558 Call  60.00 150.00 1140.00
    JONNYLODDON1 Call  60.00 210.00 2630.00
    blad1 Fold     
    LARSON7 Check     
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • 10
    • K
    		     
    LARSON7 Bet  157.50 367.50 6757.50
    iain558 Fold     
    JONNYLODDON1 Fold     
    LARSON7 Muck     
    LARSON7 Win  210.00  6967.50
    LARSON7 Return  157.50
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited February 2013

    I cant mind what is in the pot, my next bet is gonna commit most of his stack if he calls, so i'm just jamming so im not getting outdrawn on the river to say a flush. If he has top pair here, i reckon hes going with it.

    My turn bet is committin him so thought im as well just settin him in.

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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited February 2013
    Hand three, I think should be a fold. Isolating the limper is all well and good but the two blinds both have short stacks and are liable to 3-bet over your raise.

    In the fourth hand, yes I prefer the raise pre-flop. The flop lead is fine in an unraised pot. You're likely to get action from Kx, Qx, Jx and maybe weaker given that it's been limped.
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited February 2013
    First hand its a min raise, i have an ace!

    I am getting better I must say, i used to call anything outa the small blind, im learning to fold my junk in the s/b, just folded 4 7! Im gettin tight
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: Scarey call on river?:
    I cant mind what is in the pot, my next bet is gonna commit most of his stack if he calls, so i'm just jamming so im not getting outdrawn on the river to say a flush. If he has top pair here, i reckon hes going with it. My turn bet is committin him so thought im as well just settin him in.
    Posted by LARSON7
    Assuming you're talking about the QJ hand, a normal turn bet doesn't commit him. He has 1550 and the pot is 400. A bet of 300-400 is not the same as an all-in for him and he can call that with draws, top-pair, etc. He can't call all-in with just a draw and a top-pair is a pretty easy lay-down too.

    Make it 300-400 and set him in on the river. Don't give him easy decisions.
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited February 2013
    raise on button with 7s?
    9689 Small blind  40.00 40.00 1235.00
    tich47 Big blind  80.00 120.00 6580.00
      Your hole cards
    • 7
    • 7
    		     
    s2db2dk2ds Fold     
    JONNYLODDON1 Fold     
    blad1 Fold     
    LARSON7 Call  80.00 200.00 6455.00
    9689 Fold     
    tich47 Check     
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • 10
    • A
    		     
    tich47 Check     
    LARSON7 Bet  100.00 300.00 6355.00
    tich47 Fold     
    LARSON7 Muck     
    LARSON7 Win  200.00  6555.00
    LARSON7 Return
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  • bearlytherbearlyther Member Posts: 1,757
    edited February 2013
    Never open limp with any hand it doesnt matter if you have aces or 34 suited always come in for a raise everytime limping is a losing play.
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: Scarey call on river?:
    Why do you like your turn jam in the second hand, given his stack? He has nearly four times the pot back. Explain your reasons, otherwise how are we supposed to discuss them. Don't limp pre-flop. On the first hand, yes you should fold pre-flop. I quite like your line after that but again, you don't explain the motives for any of your actions. Take us through it.
    Posted by BorinLoner
    Cheers, i see your point normally id continue there increasing the size of my bet to say 700-800 after 400 on flop. Never really thought about betting the same, make sense, missed out on value.

    Im also thinking if, he calls 500 and a flush card comes, theres no way im ever folding there.

    But the odds are against this, and like you said i should have got more vale
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited February 2013
    Yeah, raise the button with 77... or you can limp, give the Big Blind a free flop and let three overcards come before you do your betting.

    Which sounds better to you?

    Start a new thread for each of your hands in future, btw. It's much easier to have a discussion when everyone is talking about the same thing.
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: Scarey call on river?:
    In Response to Re: Scarey call on river? : Cheers, i see your point normally id continue there increasing the size of my bet to say 700-800 after 400 on flop. Never really thought about betting the same, make sense, missed out on value. Im also thinking if, he calls 500 and a flush card comes, theres no way im ever folding there. But the odds are against this, and like you said i should have got more vale
    Posted by LARSON7
    You didn't bet 400 on the flop. You bet 120.

    The pot on the turn is 400 and you jammed for 1550.
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited February 2013
    Played this hand terrible, i should of folded, or re raised, hes prob folding his ace 10 here
    tich47 Small blind  50.00 50.00 8815.00
    s2db2dk2ds Big blind  100.00 150.00 7972.50
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
    		     
    JONNYLODDON1 Fold     
    blad1 Fold     
    LARSON7 Raise  400.00 550.00 6105.00
    9689 Fold     
    tich47 Call  350.00 900.00 8465.00
    s2db2dk2ds Fold     
    Flop
       
    • A
    • 4
    • 9
    		     
    tich47 Bet  200.00 1100.00 8265.00
    LARSON7 Call  200.00 1300.00 5905.00
    Turn
       
    • 9
    		     
    tich47 Bet  100.00 1400.00 8165.00
    LARSON7 Call  100.00 1500.00 5805.00
    River
       
    • 8
    		     
    tich47 Bet  300.00 1800.00 7865.00
    LARSON7 Call  300.00 2100.00 5505.00
    tich47 Show
    • 10
    • A
    		   
    LARSON7 Muck
    • K
    • K
    		   
    tich47 Win Two Pairs, Aces and 9s
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  • bearlytherbearlyther Member Posts: 1,757
    edited February 2013
    dont raise 4x pre at this level should be a minimum raise pre.  start minimum raising or slightly over to 225 after the 25/50 level
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  • LARSON7LARSON7 Member Posts: 4,491
    edited February 2013
    Just lost a big pot hand before break, outkicked by 1
    9689 Small blind  75.00 75.00 1970.00
    tich47 Big blind  150.00 225.00 17462.50
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • 8
    		     
    dan1983 Fold     
    JONNYLODDON1 Fold     
    blad1 Fold     
    LARSON7 Raise  300.00 525.00 4955.00
    9689 Fold     
    tich47 Call  150.00 675.00 17312.50
    Flop
       
    • J
    • J
    • Q
    		     
    tich47 Check     
    LARSON7 Bet  337.50 1012.50 4617.50
    tich47 Call  337.50 1350.00 16975.00
    Turn
       
    • 6
    		     
    tich47 Check     
    LARSON7 Check     
    River
       
    • 4
    		     
    tich47 Bet  750.00 2100.00 16225.00
    LARSON7 Call  750.00 2850.00 3867.50
    tich47 Show
    • J
    • 9
    		   
    LARSON7 Muck
    • J
    • 8
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  • bearlytherbearlyther Member Posts: 1,757
    edited February 2013
    Bet the turrn go for 3 streets of value
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