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NL100 - Lines/Sizing etc..

rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
edited February 2013 in The Poker Clinic
Removed my hold cards as just want overall opinion's on my line and sizing etc..
Feel like a made a couple of mistakes, so would appreiciate some good feedback.
oppo is a reg at this level and is very likely readless on me, I have just sat down so this is 3rd hand.
Reg is not one the posts on the forum so may know nothing about me, I can't say for sure.


Ok, so what do you think of my line ?

What can U call with ?

edit: included hole cards now, feel free to comment further
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Janphen1 Small blind   £0.50 £0.50 £66.00
rancid Big blind   £1.00 £1.50 £99.00
  Your hole cards
  • 9
  • 6
     
hhamza162 Fold        
eagle05 Fold        
ryanson187 Call   £1.00 £2.50 £27.00
U Raise   £3.00 £5.50 £108.55
Janphen1 Fold        
rancid Raise   £8.00 £13.50 £91.00
ryanson187 Call   £8.00 £21.50 £19.00
U Call   £6.00 £27.50 £102.55
Flop
   
  • 6
  • K
  • K
     
rancid Bet   £14.00 £41.50 £77.00
ryanson187 Fold        
U Call   £14.00 £55.50 £88.55
Turn
   
  • 10
     
rancid Check        
U Check        
River
   
  • 8
     
rancid Bet   £41.63 £97.13 £35.37
U
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  • bolly580bolly580 Member Posts: 603
    edited February 2013

    Firstly I think your line looks incredibly bluffy. 

    Cbetting this flop is fine and like the sizing. We cbet this flop with all our pocket pairs we 3bet +AK so our story's making sense so far.

    The check on the turn really baffles me (unless you turn 10s full) however even with this hand I like a bet. Also think AK/KQ (no heart) all still bet this turn.

    When the 4th heart hits and we just seem to mash the 3/4 pot button. Which I'm not a fan off choose your own sizings depending on your objective. It just seems desperate Aheart X (AJ/AQ) should bet that turn card IMO so what do we rep now? 88?

    With this line against an unknown at these limits think is call with most flushes (pocket 99swith heart+) and most Ks.

    Then again what do I know be interesting to see what some of the higher stakes guys on here think. I put you on a bluff in conclusion 
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  • RyanC7RyanC7 Member Posts: 355
    edited February 2013
    I dont think you'd be 3 betting very light at 100nl 3rd hand in when youve been grinding 10nl since the 19th century lol. AA h ?? Still bet turn. Quads lol??
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited February 2013
    cant give advice on betsixing without knowing what hand you have apart from i think you should 3bet bigger pre, 11x or so. can cbet smaller % of the pot as its a 3way pot and its relatively dry board
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2013
    cheers Bolly, be nice to hear more vews

    @ Ryan - I take it u fold - well depends if oppo knows anything about me doesn't - I'll edit op to say this
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: NL100 - what am I doing:
    cant give advice on betsixing without knowing what hand you have apart from i think you should 3bet bigger pre, 11x or so. can cbet smaller % of the pot as its a 3way pot and its relatively dry board
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    Well I am 3 betting polarised, where i think btn could be iso raising but will still call ip with a range that I beat with top of my range

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  • sighcallsighcall Member Posts: 497
    edited February 2013
    Hard to say without knowing you hand,let me try be a hero and put you on AA with A of hearts.

    if not that then AK with A of hearts but im sticking with AA.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited February 2013
    I'd LOVE to see if you'd 3bet pre with 79hh lol. You're more than capable of doing that at 10NL, dunno if you still would at these stakes or not.

    I'd want Ah or a boat to be calling you off here tbh
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  • sighcallsighcall Member Posts: 497
    edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: NL100 - what am I doing:
    I'd LOVE to see if you'd 3bet pre with 79hh lol. You're more than capable of doing that at 10NL, dunno if you still would at these stakes or not. I'd want Ah or a boat to be calling you off here tbh
    Posted by Lambert180
    hed bet turn tho...
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2013
    I kinda knew this wouldn't get much response without the hole cards  :(
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  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited February 2013
    I have the feeling you dont know what to do here, <pot bet on flop, chk turn, then almost pot river!? 

    If you bet flop, the sizing does not affect the transparency of you'r hand much although if you were bluffing with the hearts on board you would naturally want to bet slightly bigger(although bluffing tendencies on this board is likely to be 0), but with that being said with a Kx here you want to make it bigger for at least shorties stack imo(not 100% sure if right tho, shortie makes sizing difficult).

    Also with the shortie in the hand left to act the reg must feel you are never bluffing here if you c-bet, so checking is absolutely fine imo(may be optimal), by checking-- it will look like you have a wider range, rather than just Ak,KK Kbroadway and poss AA.

    The top of the regs range would be JJ imo, broadways, and small pockets, and suited connectors getting more than 3-1 on a call. So you should be betting turn imo even with AA but you may have to b/f, c/f, c/c river sometimes (depending on a few factors).

    With a Kx you can definitely get 2 streets of value...(this post is becoming a drag lol)

    **** **** rancid you have made this hard lol, show ur fooking hand lol



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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2013
     included hole cards now, feel free to comment further
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  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited February 2013
    SPEW!!! imo i dont 3-bet bluff there with a fish in the hand...(not knowing if he is passive/cs etc)

    and its ur 3rd hand tut tut lol
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  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited February 2013
    good read by bolly the BALLER ;)
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2013
    bolly did get it but sure my check on turn was a mistake, 3 barrels or give up flop might be best

    not bothered about the fish, want them to call 3 bets )
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  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: NL100 - Lines/Sizing etc..:
    bolly did get it but sure my check on turn was a mistake, 3 barrels or give up flop might be best not bothered about the fish, want them to call 3 bets )
    Posted by rancid
    you'r 3 bet pre is pretty bad imo, i 3 bet a lot and i do tons of mistakes BTW but you need a decent idea of success rate, what if fish shoves on you? but knowing this possibility you still need to 3-bet bluff bigger imo, but have a better hand as you may be commited to call shortie if he shoves (not sure on the math tbh).
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  • bearlytherbearlyther Member Posts: 1,757
    edited February 2013
    I think giving up is fine on turn here once were called on the flop as he isnt folding.  You definately have to barrell river after he checks back turn he will station you off on river with random hearts some of the time here but we definately have to bet. Dont think is good spot to 3 bet oop here if you think you have an ege post flop peel and mess with them on some flops.  Reason why its not a good spot to 3 bet is limper is short stacked playing 27 bigs.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: NL100 - Lines/Sizing etc..:
    In Response to Re: NL100 - Lines/Sizing etc.. : you'r 3 bet pre is pretty bad imo, i 3 bet a lot and i do tons of mistakes BTW but you need a decent idea of success rate, what if fish shoves on you? but knowing this possibility you still need to 3-bet bluff bigger imo, but have a better hand as you may be commited to call shortie if he shoves (not sure on the math tbh).
    Posted by WHOAMI196

    yeah think my mistakes were not 3 betting bigger and then not betting turn imo

    your right about the ss though, my initial reaction is they fold loads to 3 bets that short - but not knowing if they call 3 bets most of the time or shove or fold to cbets loads is mistake.

    This is why I am posting, felt like I made some mistakes


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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2013
    In Response to Re: NL100 - Lines/Sizing etc..:
    I think giving up is fine on turn here once were called on the flop as he isnt folding.  You definately have to barrell river after he checks back turn he will station you off on river with random hearts some of the time here but we definately have to bet. Dont think is good spot to 3 bet oop here if you think you have an ege post flop peel and mess with them on some flops.  Reason why its not a good spot to 3 bet is limper is short stacked playing 27 bigs.
    Posted by bearlyther
    I think I should bet turn actually just to fold out some of oppo's range, but in my head if oppo calls turn then I still have to fire river regardless if brick or not , still think I can check turn with a high heart in my range though

    Think my sizing on river is bad - should have been slightly smaller imo
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  • bolly580bolly580 Member Posts: 603
    edited February 2013
    SOUL REAAAAAAAAAAD
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2013
    On reflection I think I made so many mistakes, the first and biggest one being pre - doesn't matter what I 3 bet apart from a narrow 4% 3 bet range I am going to be in a world of pain

    comments welcome

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