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Worth Shoving here?

Jeni82Jeni82 Member Posts: 60
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
The_ChrisSmall blind12500.0012500.00225424.00
bluecall07Big blind25000.0037500.00302842.80
Your hole cards
  • A
  • Q
Jeni82All-in164973.50202473.500.00
GSmith13

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    Jeni82Jeni82 Member Posts: 60
    This is now at final 4 in the gold rush, Big stack (Gsmith13) is 5-6 times stack size the rest of us.
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    MattBatesMattBates Member Posts: 4,118
    What are you suggesting you would do rather than shove?
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    Jeni82Jeni82 Member Posts: 60
    @MattBates: I did consider folding but had been doing that quite a lot of that in the final 20.
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    kapowblamzkapowblamz Member Posts: 1,530
    You should be shoving here with about 30% of all hands, so ye, slam dunk shove.
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    Itsover4uItsover4u Member Posts: 1,534


    Thats you profitable jamming range... folding AQ would be a disaster and by far the worst of every option
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    Jeni82Jeni82 Member Posts: 60
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    The_ChrisSmall blind12500.0012500.00225424.00
    bluecall07Big blind25000.0037500.00302842.80
    Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
    Jeni82All-in164973.50202473.500.00
    GSmith13All-in1719259.701921733.200.00
    The_ChrisFold
    bluecall07Fold
    GSmith13Unmatched bet1554286.20367447.001554286.20
    Jeni82Show
    • A
    • Q
    GSmith13Show
    • A
    • A
    Flop
    • 9
    • 2
    • 6
    Turn
    • 2
    River
    • 6
    GSmith13WinTwo Pairs, Aces and 6s367447.001921733.20
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    Jeni82Jeni82 Member Posts: 60
    Thanks folks for the comments, super helpful. Just posting hand for completeness. Dipping my toes in to the bigger buy ins now and was wondering if there was logic in folding there and guess not!
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    hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr Member Posts: 8,036
    Do you post the hand if everyone folds?
    Or if Gsmith calls with TT and you win?

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    Jeni82Jeni82 Member Posts: 60
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Jeni82Small blind5000.005000.00280909.50
    Shrimpy28Big blind10000.0015000.00256995.75
    Your hole cards
    • A
    • 8
    SAXONTOMAll-in41172.7556172.750.00
    B4NDY371Fold
    The_ChrisFold
    XgudiSFold
    Jeni82Call36172.7592345.50244736.75
    Shrimpy28All-in256995.75349341.250.00
    Jeni82Fold
    Shrimpy28U
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    Jeni82Jeni82 Member Posts: 60
    Above hand had happened earlier in the tournament and I thought Shrimpy28 played it really well. I am guessing I should have folded pre-flop (without calling short stack shove) or called Shrimpy28's all-in, which would have put me all in.
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    cabbazcabbaz Member Posts: 36
    That A8o spot isn't easy and is very opponent dependent. I think it depends on how aggressive you think both opponents are, how close you are to the bubble, and also the size of the bounties.

    Assuming normal bounties at this stage, this is ITM and the original shover is going all in with a (correct) wide range of hands- you cover the BB and the effective stacks are 25bb, so personally I would jam all in. Worst case scenario, shrimpy calls, but he'll fold a lot and, even when he calls, you are still playing for 2 bounties and likely will have some equity with an Ace.

    By calling, you are allowing him to make you fold with a lot of hands you're flipping / ahead of, as it's correct for him to jam lower pocket pairs, KQ etc.

    However, say both players have minimum bounties- if you think the BB is very passive / will never be jamming worse hands, calling then folding is probably reasonable.



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    Jeni82Jeni82 Member Posts: 60
    @cabbaz : Thank you, should have added this is just ITM. Shrimpy and I both had 4-5 bounties, so decent money there.

    I had been on a losing 2 week streak and some of my KOs have been while trying to nab a short stack's bounty while there has been a similar stack sized player in between.
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    hoban01hoban01 Member Posts: 80
    due to every ones stack sizes i think a shove is the only option if a player on the table only had a blind left then i would limp fold but i dont know much
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    Itsover4uItsover4u Member Posts: 1,534


    This is 4bb no ante profitable shoving range UTG so A8 does extremely well vs this range... However we cant assume opponent is ever shoving correctly and sky is one of the nittiest sites for mtts online.

    But you should be rejamming for the bounty its more valuable than clinging on for a ladder and can position you to win a tourney. If bb wakes up with a hand so be it.
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