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DYM bubble POLL
Spike4000
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so, new one this time. THIS IS A TURBO DYM WHERE STARTING STACK IS 1000. 6 runners. we have K-4 suited on the button. we are 4/4 on button with 800 chips (5.3bb) and the blinds are 75/150. it folds to us. the sb has 1200 and the bb has 1600. the folded player behind us had 2400. WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? (hope this was enough info for you guys)
DYM bubble POLL 19 votes
fold
21%
4 votes
call
0%
limp fold
0%
shove
78%
15 votes
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@Spike4000
It's very hard to predict sometimes what will or will not get engagement. I've been trying for over 16 years & still find it hard to predict what will or won't be popular.
It may be, as you suggest, because it's a DYM where the decisions can often be less complex.
FWIW, I'm jamming the K-4 but it'll be hard to get called by worse so I'm hoping I get two folds. Or get lucky.
i am also shoving the K4 every day of the week.
I mean even if I believe strongly that there is collusion cheating going on and I am likely to be called wide I think this is still a shove. The fact is we are the weakest stack and will likely lose fold equity if we dont make moves soon.
in a standard spin and go this would be a shove which is basically cash game structure as it is winner take all.
Here however if the small blind and big blind are playing optimally then they should be calling wider then that.
you cant really min raise here as that is to much of your stack to fold and what do you do if the bb flats and you totally miss the flop?
The only possible reason for any other player other then a shove here is if we know for a fact that SB folds the vast majority of their range here to complete only half a blind and BB will literally check fold unless they hit a strong flop.
Even with those circumstances I suspect the math would still show a shove is preferable unless you factor in BB will call your shove very wide and even then I would suspect the math would favour a shove. However I am guessing at that point because I have not tried to work out the math for this spot because it is so niche and rare all the circumstances would line up for this that it wouldnt be worth studying.
One gappers, suited cards, double paint, any pair, any ace, connected cards. Yes, they're all a shove, but not K 4, especially as the player who is 3/4 is the bb next hand and that's where I'm looking to put the pressure on.
We know that a shove should fold out many hands
However, not everyone plays correctly
Without knowing who the blinds are it doesn’t make it an automatic shove.
Notes on opponents in a small player pool are vital
I would always put the majority of my chips in middle in this spot, say 600, which leaves the option of folding if both blinds go all in afterwards with the intent to call off if one player calls/shoves after us.